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Post by Solgaleo on Feb 19, 2019 18:10:29 GMT
"Ok Meltan and everyone is saying Cobalion. Right now I'm lightly suggesting delaying the Cob vote, hopefully in order to take out one of Celebi or Hoopa. IDK if 'saving the player that betrayed me' is a big move, but it's a start. If I can save him, maybe he'll fall for it and think that we're back to being cool."
Trust me Uxie...that doesn't work, it never works.
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Post by Hoothoot on Feb 19, 2019 18:56:52 GMT
Idk if I like the attitude some of the mystics have towards the newbies
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Post by Wallace on Feb 19, 2019 19:48:30 GMT
well jeff, i have a nostradamus-like prediction here. someone is probably getting idoled out.
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Post by Solgaleo on Feb 19, 2019 22:18:46 GMT
Also, weird question but...can Meltan win this game. I don't mean get to the end, but with a jury starting at 11 and a final 3, he might have already lost the jury votes of Hoopa, Celebi, Poipile and Coba and if anyone else can make a good case for having played better that'd be it?
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Post by Pikachu on Feb 20, 2019 0:48:47 GMT
Interesting question. Maybe not?
Maybe if he were sitting next to...Volcanion he might have a shot, but I think he's likely to be out of the running actually. Sad!
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Post by Mewtwo on Feb 20, 2019 1:41:32 GMT
Hmm depends on what jury decide their votes on and stuff like that Personally I’d probably vote on whoever has played the best game, whoever worked the hardest to get to the final 3, that could b because they played such amazing social play of making the right friends to never be voted out or absolutely beasting challenges so nobody has a chance to vote you out In my opinion post merge is the hardest part, you rely on your allies to get you to the merge and then it’s a battle from there where you gotta go through a minefield of potential blindsides...how players navigate through this bit is what should decide the jury votes
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Post by Litwick on Feb 20, 2019 1:43:24 GMT
Hmm depends on what jury decide their votes on and stuff like that Personally I’d probably vote on whoever has played the best game, whoever worked the hardest to get to the final 3, that could b because they played such amazing social play of making the right friends to never be voted out or absolutely beasting challenges so nobody has a chance to vote you out that's what everyone says, until they get salty
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Post by Solgaleo on Feb 20, 2019 1:53:35 GMT
Hmm depends on what jury decide their votes on and stuff like that Personally I’d probably vote on whoever has played the best game, whoever worked the hardest to get to the final 3, that could b because they played such amazing social play of making the right friends to never be voted out or absolutely beasting challenges so nobody has a chance to vote you out that's what everyone says, until they get salty Pretty much. Like if you end up going early merge and have little connection to the finalists then this usually will be how you decide it. But if you are sitting on the jury it then occurs to you that "Hey, you know that person who brutally screwed me over. I don't have to vote for them." Though some people are very neutral throughout so YMMV.
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Post by Wallace on Feb 20, 2019 2:27:43 GMT
i strongly support meltan and regi's side also
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Post by Litwick on Feb 20, 2019 2:28:14 GMT
I'm being reminded why I shouldn't share my thoughts when spectating games, as I'm rooting very hard against Hoopa/Coba/Celebi/Deoxys and find them super boring even though what they're doing is probably best for their game honestly though i feel like half the reason i'm against these players is because they're all against meltan, and the specs love meltan
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Post by Steven on Feb 20, 2019 2:28:40 GMT
I think a main part of it is that Meltan and Regi just seem to be having fun while Hoopa and Deoxys are acting like Meltan is some horrible person
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Post by Delphox on Feb 20, 2019 2:32:57 GMT
I agree with you guys, I'm rooting for Meltan and Regi. They are a great pair. I really like Hoopa though and I wanna see Hoopa cause some drama down the line with that idol... I assume Meltan will be taken out by it at some point, that is if it isn't used this round!
I gotta catch up with some reading been so busy these few days cause of the holidays. I feel out of the looooop
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Post by Solgaleo on Feb 20, 2019 2:33:09 GMT
So two notes.
"As it stands, the information I have is that the votes for Coba will be {Meltan, Regi, Tapu, Volc, Uxie, Mesprit} with the votes for Volc being {Hoopa, Celebi, Deoxys, Coba, Poi}. Coba plans on playing his idol and we should be able to send Volc home if all goes according to plan." - Deox
All this chaos and the vote is.....literally along normal tribal lines with Meltan flipping to Valor as expected.
Second:
"Volc is an interesting person, because it highlights the massive flaw that most MS players have in their approach to the game he's terrible at the social game, and as a result pretty much everyone thought of him as an easy vote
JUST BECAUSE SOMEONE IS BAD AT THE SOCIAL GAME DOESN'T MEAN YOU HAVE TO VOTE THEM OUT #BREAKTHEMETA
I just skipped straight to the game side of things with him and I think I trust him to vote with me more than anyone except Deo and Regi now just because of how everyone else alienated him" - Meltan
So like I think this post both elaborates on something interesting and kind of misses the important part of the analysis. Like the reason why people who are "bad at social game" get voted out is because of a simple fact, people want to work with people they like. Like if faced with someone I enjoy talking to and someone who I only talk game with, it's just going to be more fun for me to side with the person I enjoy talking to, this is why social threats like Celeste can last until final 5 even if everyone knows that they will need to vote them out. Like the reason Jirachi was voted out this game was because his poems made it too hard to talk to him (which is a shame because Monty is amazing). Also the reason why I was voted out was not just because I did some questionable things (which I think in most cases are indistinguishable than what would happen in a normal vote, lying to your intended target and trying to push the majority of people onto them) but rather that while I made good friends with Hoopa and Poipile, I failed to connect strongly enough with the rest of the tribe(a fact I was trying to rectify but failed to do in time) which allowed my (imo) minor infractions to be deadly for me, they just didn't trust me.
Still, strong connections can begin as "only game talk" DDD was able to go far using that strategy in SSB and I think I clicked well enough to make some alliances by being like "let's be allies" earlier than usual (which I didn't do this game but I'm not sure it was a mistake). I just felt like sharing that stuff, who I don't know who the target audience is for it? I guess people after the game?
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Post by Pikachu on Feb 20, 2019 2:33:11 GMT
yep I am firmly team not cobalion's boring alliance
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Post by Mewtwo on Feb 20, 2019 2:46:08 GMT
So I believe everyone has voted and it’ll be a 7-4 vote with coba playing his idol to save himself
So at a 6-4 split in the morning should be interesting in how everyone takes it, it’ll be interesting to see if anyone flips into a 5-5
Also it’d be hilarious if Volc suddenly found that idol he’s been looking for xD
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Post by Wallace on Feb 20, 2019 2:47:46 GMT
poipole knew about the idol and is allies with all the people in the minority, she will very likely flip to make it 5-5 and bring people with her probably.
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Post by Mewtwo on Feb 20, 2019 2:51:24 GMT
The thing I don’t get is
If Coba was planning on playing the idol all along (which by the sounds of their confessional it was a high probability)
Why target Volc? Like the perk of an idol play is the power to literally send anybody home and not need to worry so much about votes, Volc could probably be seen as an easy manipulated player, like nobody seems to like him too much and so they can be a great scape goat
If you send home the heart of the opposing alliance then there’s more chance for breaking in through cracks
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Post by Mewtwo on Feb 20, 2019 2:52:41 GMT
Also, what happens to Jury members in these games?
Like what can they see? Do they have their own section for talking and if so, can we see it?
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Post by Mewtwo on Feb 20, 2019 2:57:19 GMT
Get a load of this loser, literally idoling out the biggest non-threat in the game epic meme dude Awww, my love and I wrote the same thing, except his was funnier
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Post by Solgaleo on Feb 20, 2019 3:06:10 GMT
Eh I can't really root for Meltan like....I mean I think the thing that I dislike the most is exactly what I told him. He's playing the game like anyone else but All of his PMs use that cutesy art. The only reason my PMs from that day don't have it was because I specifically told him to stop since he was baring his heart to me about Jira but also using it and made it feel like it all was false innocence (and while he may have dropped it with some people it seemed he really prefers it so *shrug*)
And later on when I was actually just feeding him the information I heard which was meager, and told him that things very much weren't decided (and he said he wanted to just go for a safe vote which by all means would likely be him or arti (or me but I wouldn't say that)) and told Arti one thing which was selling him the best decoy I could, his reaction is not just to tell everyone what happened, which is fine, but to say that I threatened him into voting Arit "or else" when I was just trying to show him his best line as far as I knew and go off. Yeah lying big while acting like some big wrong has been inflicted on you (or perceiving that) while still using the cutesy art or keeping up the idea of being innocent. Yeah that's going to not get people to like you a lot. Then he did it again by voting out Arti who trusted him (especially after they were both on the bottom in some way) because he just couldn't do the pagong and it just feels hollow when people specifically voted to keep him thinking that things would get better and he wouldn't betray them.
Which also really sucks because being pretty certain of who Meltan is, the fear and the feeling of not wanting to pagong are probably very real things that drive him to strong reactions and actions. And I do think that people are being a little unfair and not quite meeting him halfway, but at this point lines are drawn. (Also like my feel depends a lot on how much he told other people about Jira and how much he meant to him. Since that was a huge factor in why I felt bad for him and wanted to help him out of the bottom in the first place.)
Anyway, this is going to be an unfun merge. I'm rooting for Poi and Hoopa because i like them, but also know they'll be like...the least interesting winners of this season. Regi would probably be the best winner though, and I will stan that, though a lot of the newbies would probably be fun as well.
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Post by Jasmine on Feb 20, 2019 3:09:15 GMT
What up squad
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Post by Jasmine on Feb 20, 2019 3:10:26 GMT
Is this game good I literally can't tell
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Post by Litwick on Feb 20, 2019 3:16:54 GMT
Is this game good I literally can't tell maybe
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Post by Wallace on Feb 20, 2019 3:18:06 GMT
not so far but there's hope! we did just have two idol blindsides in a row, they were both just terrible.
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