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Post by Charizard on Feb 28, 2019 16:24:58 GMT
I think y'all are being a little harsh on Cob for lying on the jury. There are many things worse that could be done by a survivor player. It's definitely interesting how different people's moral code in this game is, and how everyone has their own value of what goes too far.
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Post by Charizard on Feb 28, 2019 16:25:36 GMT
Granted if people ever lied about me on the jury to make me lose, I'd be pissed lmao
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Post by Jasmine on Feb 28, 2019 16:34:38 GMT
i'll feel a little bad for regi if they eat hoopa's idol at 6.
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Post by Charizard on Feb 28, 2019 17:04:16 GMT
I continued to be floored by the number of people who recognize the snakes in the game and do nothing about it. This interested me, because I think there are arguably 3 "snakes" in this game playing both sides - Poipoi, Regigas, and Deox. I think I'd probably argue that poipoi isn't actually playing too dishonest a game in how they're doing it but who knows because lol confessional. Deoxys is getting by because not many people actually ever recognize him as a snake. For the first 2 rounds of merge everyone was firmly convinced he was on their side. He eventually blindsided Tapu, Regi, and Meltan causing 3 people to distrust him. I thought Celebi and Hoopa would realize Regi and Meltan were right all along about Deox when he flip flopped to the other side to vote out Cob, but instead Celebi and Hoopa were just angry they weren't part of it, and were like "of course he'd be stabbed eventually" and are keeping with trusting Deox 100%. As Deox said in confessional, him switching sides back right away taking out Meltan made it seem like he never intended to leave their side. He framed it so he didn't stab the alliance, - he only stabbed Cobalion personally. The way he's manipulating is still kinda impressive. The ones that do think he's a snake are the more powerless ones who CAN'T do anything about it despite trying. (Queue Meltan's confessional complaining he has no choice but hope deox votes with him) Regi who absolutely no one trusts and everyone reconises as a snake at this point (mainly because of Deoxys) is surviving a different way. I think he's viewed as not being too threatening and a bit goaty at this point, and a lot of people think he's no threat to win. The only reason they're not taking him out is because they think he's powerless I think. No one is relying on his vote. Is a snake that bad when you don't need it's vote and everyone is aware they're a snake? Poipoi is playing it by positioning herself so even though people know she's in the middle, they still need her vote. This is generally my favorite way of playing the middle and I think it's the best for getting jury votes.
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Post by Solgaleo on Feb 28, 2019 17:06:28 GMT
I think y'all are being a little harsh on Cob for lying on the jury. There are many things worse that could be done by a survivor player. It's definitely interesting how different people's moral code in this game is, and how everyone has their own value of what goes too far. Eh, disagree. No one is asking for a warning to be given or a ban to be issued or anything like that. We're just voicing our opinion that it's kind of a bad thing to do. And like "there are worse things" is just fallacious. Like most of the "worse things" are also stuff people are like "yeah don't do that about" (or even fall into the warning/ban territory if you go far enough) and wouldn't not make this a bad thing to do.
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Post by Sabrina on Feb 28, 2019 17:15:23 GMT
When the untrustworthy snakes have enough people to make a majority you should probably be terrified tbh It's entirely possible that Hoopa/Poipole get blindsided by Deoxys's inevitable betrayal.
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Post by Solgaleo on Feb 28, 2019 17:17:34 GMT
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Post by Tate & Liza on Feb 28, 2019 18:37:38 GMT
i'll feel a little bad for regi if they eat hoopa's idol at 6. His worst fear is going out the same way at same time
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Post by Wallace on Feb 28, 2019 20:14:35 GMT
You're doing a good job Wallace for your first game <3 uh idk why you said this (did one of the players shout at me while i was asleep oh no!!) but thanks, you're very sweet.
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Post by Delphox on Mar 1, 2019 0:37:53 GMT
Let him lie to the jury if he wants I see no harm in it. Every juror has to come to their own conclusion and shouldn't let their peers influence their choice anyway. I hope the vets clue in the newbies on that philosophy too. I assume Colba is just being a bitter betty after being backstabbed by his best bro Poipoi. What? If you were meant to not let other jurors influence your decision then we would just like...sequester each juror by themselves. The reason that we don't is so that they can compare notes and perspectives...which means yes, other jurors are meant to influence your decision, you just shouldn't sheep someone else. However, that only makes sense in so far as the jurors act in good faith and flat out lying about what happened breaks that good faith completely, especially when one of the best parts of being on the jury is being able to talk to other people without worrying about playing the game. Like a single lie (especially about the character of a player) poisons the entire process. Sorry I probably wasn't clear in how I worded it, but you're right: you should discuss and compare notes. Thats why they have open discussion like a real jury in court. You should be encouraged to deliberate the facts presented. But what I meant was that I believe that every juror should come to their own conclusion on who should win the game, regardless of what is being presented to them. Like, if the entire jury is saying how wonderfully Player A played the game, how they played everyone but were super sociable, thats all well and good to hear. But if inside you believe Player B played the better game despite hearing all that, you should cast your vote for Player B. If you have any doubts about how your voting, that means you aren't sold on the person you're voting for. And that is not a vote the juror should be casting, you need to be sure you are voting for the person you think deserves to win, not who you think will win the game regardless of the outcome. You should take into consideration all the information presented to you by the FTC players and the jurors and see what they have to say, but the juror needs to vote for who they truly believe deserves to win at the end of the day, regardless of what others are saying. That's what I meant! Sorry if it made it seem like we should just lock jurors away in their rooms for like 20 days. LOL Oh god no. Not that I have much experience on the jury side of a FTC though.
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Post by Delphox on Mar 1, 2019 0:42:59 GMT
I like how open the snakes are. Devious game play makes the game unpredictable, and in a vanilla game its always good to see the unpredictability come from the players!
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Post by Delphox on Mar 1, 2019 1:16:25 GMT
I wonder if Deo winning immunity will embolden him to do something crazy this round.
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Post by Solgaleo on Mar 1, 2019 1:17:12 GMT
Probably not
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Post by Giratina on Mar 1, 2019 1:50:46 GMT
I BELIEVE THAT DEOXYS WINNING IMMUNITY WORKS FOR HIM AND REGI. IF THE VOTE REALLY IS SHAPING UP TO BE POIPOLE VS HOOPA, THERE'S NO WAY HOOPA'S IDOL DOESN'T GET FLUSHED HERE. THAT BEING SAID, THE TARGETS TO IDOL OUT ARE REGI, CELEBI, TAPU, & POIPOLE. OF THOSE, I FEEL LIKE IF HOOPA WERE TO TRY AND PULL A POWER MOVE, HER BEST BET WOULD BE TO IDOL OUT EITHER REGI OR POIPOLE AS I ASSUME CELEBI IS GOING TO ACTIVELY KEEP HER AROUND UNTIL F4 BASED ON PLAN.
I SERIOUSLY DOUBT THAT HOOPA WOULD IDOL OUT TAPU LELE, THAT JUST SEEMS AGAINST HER PLAN.
EG, I BELIEVE HOOPAS BEST MOVE WOULD BE TO IDOL OUT EITHER REGI OR POIPOLE, AND OF THOSE, THE ONE THAT WOULD LIKELY SHAKE UP THE GAME THE MOST IS REGI, AS SOME PEOPLE SEEM TO WANT TO TAKE HIM AS A FLAKY PLAYER AT THIS POINT.
WILL HOOPA ACTUALLY DO THAT? I'M NOT ENTIRELY SURE. LIKELY IF THIS GOES THE WAY REGI PREDICTS, HOOPA WILL IDOL OUT POIPOLE HERE.
WE SHALL SEE.
*ROARS BECAUSE GROWLING WAS SO 7 GENS AGO*
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Post by Solgaleo on Mar 1, 2019 2:00:30 GMT
I don't really think that idoling out Poipile is a smart move at all, them and poi fill the same role at FTC, but most people can easily lose to either of them. As such she needs Poi around to throw under the bus at Final 5 or 4 if they don't win immunity. Best idol out target is likely regi to be honest.
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Post by Mewtwo on Mar 1, 2019 2:01:14 GMT
in regards to cobalion (using full name because they’ve been naughty)
1) i still don’t get why he’s doing it, like when you’re on the jury you don’t need to play the game anymore, there’s nothing to gain or lose from it, also it’s weird that he’s doing it this way round, as in targeting players to lose rather than helping someone you want to win 2) why poi? have i missed something here? 3) if poi doesn’t make it to FTC and sees the lies that Colab is saying then like that’ll blow up in Colabs face and then he’ll have absolutely no say on the jury as no one will trust him
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Post by Delphox on Mar 1, 2019 2:02:10 GMT
Do we know if Poipole is committed to voting out Hoopa? Like the last time Poipole mentioned her allies, she said that she was closely allied with Hoopa and Deoxys. Unless Deoxys starts twisting her arm, shouldn't Poipole stick with hoopa and they idol out Regi? They might not even need to idol regi out actually if Celebi is down for it, or if Tapu Lele is scorned over being manipulated so much by Regi.
Like, if Hoopa v Poipole is the situation this round, I don't see why the two of them dont try and work together. I think Hoopa will have to play her idol this round more than likely though.
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Post by Wallace on Mar 1, 2019 2:03:59 GMT
i hope more than life itself that regi gets idoled out at f6 again
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Post by Delphox on Mar 1, 2019 2:12:58 GMT
Giratina is a top tier spectator btw just putting it out there. Thank you for asking questions with me.
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Post by Giratina on Mar 1, 2019 2:16:20 GMT
Giratina is a top tier spectator btw just putting it out there. Thank you for asking questions with me. I FEEL THE SAME ABOUT YOU MY FINE FIREFOX FRIEND *ROARS IN ADMIRATION AND SOME SORT OF SPANISH*
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Post by Wallace on Mar 1, 2019 2:18:35 GMT
you guys are both like 90% more favourites than nearly all of these people so i wish you had played lmao. but yeah thank you both lots <3
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Post by Mewtwo on Mar 1, 2019 2:18:58 GMT
I’d ask questions if I could haha Main question goes to Reggie: Is 2 lovers (Tapuand Celebi) enough to fill the hole in his heart left by MewTwo being gone?
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Post by Wallace on Mar 1, 2019 2:34:04 GMT
I cannot believe regi has gotten away with what he has gotten away with. What an actual god. I hope he wins.
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Post by Wallace on Mar 1, 2019 2:34:46 GMT
Like in no world should such an arrogant, snaky, paranoid dude still be here among the relatively serene people left like lele, poipole, hoopa etc.
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Post by Wallace on Mar 1, 2019 2:39:10 GMT
hoopa messaged us saying she wants to vote poi out now so she probably won't have to use her idol.
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