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Post by Wallace on Mar 9, 2019 2:15:09 GMT
Don't post in anyone else's question thread, juror. Ask all your questions here.
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Post by Cobalion on Mar 9, 2019 3:44:40 GMT
To Regigigas: How can you justify the game you played when you spent the entire pre-merge with an unfair advantage over your fellow contestants?
To Tapu Lele: You mentioned knowing what I was talking to you about in your speech, and realizing that you needed to change-- so why didn't you?
To Deoxys: Why didn't you reference having a 'D-Form' in some sort of sexual Pokémon innuendo?
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Post by Cobalion on Mar 9, 2019 3:50:26 GMT
I wish Giratina were here to be Italian.
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Deoxys
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Post by Deoxys on Mar 9, 2019 4:01:27 GMT
This is a show on CBS at 8pm and I wanted airtime, not to get a purple edit because I kept making sexual jokes that couldn't even be shown in the secret scenes.
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Post by Tapu Lele on Mar 9, 2019 4:16:51 GMT
To Tapu Lele: You mentioned knowing what I was talking to you about in your speech, and realizing that you needed to change-- so why didn't you? There is only so far I can explore this subject before I hit the cop-out. I think you deserve my most full answer, so I'll indicate when I hit the mandatory cop-out line. I think I did change as much as I could, and reapproached the game with a kind of cognisance that was missing from my earlier rounds. After that TC, for me, it wasn't just a matter of who I could sneak through with but a question of who I wanted to sneak through with. I'm new as shit and anyone who had exchanged words with me already knew that I entered this game without a major overarching plan, and I hadn't been playing a strategic game up until then. What I had going for me was my social game. I wasn't publicly known as a strategic player at all, and was pretty low on potential to make remarkable moves. I did change, but not in exactly the way we spoke about. I allowed my strategic game to augment the social game I'd played, to make sure that I'd reach this point with the best possible f3. Socially, I was never going to take down Hoopa or Poipole. Strategically, I was never going to take down Meltan or Deoxys (or many people at all for that matter). The back half of my game was dedicated to doing whatever I could to ensure the people who were above me in the areas I had strengths didn't make it to f3. I have worked WITH people who I'd earlier followed to this ends but I am pretty proud to say that I didn't blindly follow them like the sheep I had been. I worked with them when and only when their interests coincided with the people I needed removed. == cop-out line == I'm not sure that in those final few votes, I had the time to make a play that would have been truly remarkable. It was pretty obvious which players would decimate once we hit FTC. I knew pretty clearly who I needed gone. So I used the influence I had to make sure the game swung towards their removal. For me to have suddenly swung my game around into some kind of chessboard-flipping manipulative mastermind, I therefore would have had to make big bold moves entirely for the sake of making big bold moves and try to work towards a FTC which was less favourable to me than this one was. I'm understanding you may have been looking to me to make a sudden change into a big bold player, in which case I might have sold your advice short. I think I've played smarter, and I think I've played a lot better since we spoke. I don't think I had the scope to play bigger, and I don't think that doing so would have improved my f3 position in this game.
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Post by Cobalion on Mar 9, 2019 4:19:02 GMT
Deoxys, Deoxys, Deoxys. Your game strikes me as completely insincere and downright shameful at times.
Let me tell you what I mean. When I was a child of around seven or eight years old, I was very into Pokémon. In fact, I had a few favorites of my own. Barboach. Magnezone. Voltorb. The classics, as you can tell. However, there was one Pokémon who stood out. One of the alien variety, whose arms looked like strands of DNA. I think you and I both know who I'm talking about-- don't we? What fascinated me about you, Deoxys, was the fact that you had many different forms, so to speak.
I was enthralled with you, Deoxys. Positively enthralled. As with any impressionable child, I had become marginally obsessed with the concept of outer space, and a Pokémon from there had to be the best, right? Right? Regardless of whatever was going through my poor, kid-esque mind at the time, I decided that I want to contribute as well. So I made a drawing of my own design-- the perfect 'Deoxys' form, so to speak!
Deoxys: Windmill Form was my greatest creation as a child. With greater speed and power than ever before, and flying-type attacks, it would be a force to be reckoned with. Right? Well, as it turns out, I was scorned by my peers. Laughed at, even. My dream had been torn away from me in one fell swoop! I was faced with the absolute fate of my ideas being razed, burned, and torn asunder! I was heartbroken, and spent the next two days crying in my room. I felt as if I would never be happy again. But certainly you wouldn't know how that feels-- you monster.
So when I started this game, I thought you'd be different. I thought you could redeem the good name of the Pokémon Deoxys through your charm, wit, and intellect-- so when I trusted you with the idol clue I had received from the challenge, I was putting myself out of my comfort zone and extending an olive branch to you for the first time in about a decade. We found an idol together, Deoxys. Doesn't that mean anything to you?
We were split up in a most untimely manner following that, and I assumed that things would stay the same way-- you'd be able to fulfill all of my desires, right? Right!?
...Well, I think we all know how the rest goes.
No fucking Windmill Form. Again.
Tell me, Deoxys. How can you live with yourself when you've proven to be more than willing to betray others and stab people who have placed their trust in you?
I want to vote for someone who deserves to win. Tell me, straight from the heart, why my perceptions of you that have withstood the test of time and been proven time and time again, have been misguided. If you can't, I'll assume you just don't have an answer.
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Post by Cobalion on Mar 9, 2019 4:23:45 GMT
In regards to Tapu Lele-- that's interesting. Can you please elaborate on how your game became more strategic, and what you did differently that you weren't just doing before?
Also; how can you expect social game to carry you in a game where half the players have had experience dealing with the same 'social' formula time and time again, and aren't as easily impressed with it? I myself stated the exact same thing to you in a private message, I think.
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Deoxys
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Post by Deoxys on Mar 9, 2019 4:40:01 GMT
I can live with myself because this is a game and I think I played it to the best of my ability and better than the two people I am at the end with. As I mentioned in Meltan's thread, I absolutely did not intend to personally hurt or offend anyone - but this is a game about deception and lying and I have absolutely no issue with how I played from that perspective and in fact think I played extremely well.
We did have a bond on Mystic, and you did share your idol clue with me, and we did find it together. I think through my actions that night alone I showed you that I did trust you and value you as a partner in this game; you told me you had a clue that required you to (in essence) wish for an idol in public, and so without hesitating I immediately decided that I would make just such a thread to give you the cover you would hopefully need to find it. And at the merge, I was absolutely thrilled that you made it out of your swap-tribe and we were back together, and even more happy that you still had the idol (though only because you found and used ANOTHER one). At the first vote though, your idol was crucial for both of us; I knew that the votes were probably not going to be there for us to win that first vote because of how much Meltan and Regi had told me about their ability to unite the Valors (since they thought I was with them 100%). I also knew that with Regi and Tapu following Meltan so much, if one of the Mystics went home we may well have all been Pagonged at the merge. So I made the decision to use the idol that we found together to advance both of us in the game, by doing what I could to lean the Valors onto you and then making sure you knew to use it (though again, I am sure you knew that already - but I obviously wasn't trying to blindside you). Between the two successful idol plays you had made though and your skill in challenges, I didn't think I could go to the end with you and stand a chance since your game was already way more out-in-front than I ever planned on mine being. Given that, once a few of the Valors had gone and it made sense for me to swing back the other way, you were the natural target both because it made sense to the Valors and because you didn't have the obvious pair that I could see that for example Hoopa/Celebi did. Was it harsh? Absolutely. But this is a harsh game, and once I made it through the first few votes I realized that I did have a chance to win but that it would involve being willing to play all sides, willing to lie and betray allies - in short, being willing to play Survivor. And I did that repeatedly, without regret, and also in a way that allowed me to avoid being caught out by others in the game.
If you are looking for someone who played like Colby in Australia and stuck to their alliances without lying, that's not the game I played. But if you are looking to vote for the person who played the best game of Survivor of the three of us, I don't think anything you mentioned should count against me and if anything that's why I think I played the best game.
Windmill Form certainly was a force to be reckoned with, but it was perhaps even more powerful and deadly than you had imagined.
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Post by Tapu Lele on Mar 9, 2019 4:45:55 GMT
In regards to Tapu Lele-- that's interesting. Can you please elaborate on how your game became more strategic, and what you did differently that you weren't just doing before? Also; how can you expect social game to carry you in a game where half the players have had experience dealing with the same 'social' formula time and time again, and aren't as easily impressed with it? I myself stated the exact same thing to you in a private message, I think. For sure--in two parts. At that point rather than "blindly follow whoever will drag me to the end", it became a matter of "Who can I afford to endgame with and how do I get there?" Unfortunately that consideration started with your Tribal Council. I was looking at a table of: Cobalion ~ strong narrative & strategic game, huge endgame risk. Hoopa ~ gigantic social risk with good strategic game. Basically a much better version of me. Celebi ~ fairly strong social risk, mild strategic game - slightly viable for endgame. ^ all (up until they couldn't) working together. If I were to take a swing against the other side, this is the group I would need to do it with. and then in direct opposition: Meltan ~ similar to you--strong narrative & strategic game, huge endgame risk. Regigigas ~ strong strategic game, some what viable for endgame. Deoxys ~ similarly strong strategic game - crafty play through the earlier Harmony TCs - risky but viable for endgame. and working with them (but a possible swing vote) was Poipole (stronger social game than mine, risk for endgame). This had the block of people I needed gone in my eyes as, ultimately: you, Hoopa, Meltan and Poipole. In this TC, I had the choice of going one of two ways. Either voting you, with the latter group, or voting Regigigas and attempting to keep Hoopa+Celi's votes form and also swing Poipole. This would have been a risky and interesting move, but knocking out Regigigas who was willing to work with me in order to side more closely with you and Hoopa who I needed gone (vs. Regi/Deo who I was reasonably aware could be swung against Meltan). The possibility of switching did occur to me, but it would have been cutting my nose off to spite my face. From an endgame strategy point of view, there was no reason for me to sink my teeth into a bold daring plan completely for the sake of having a bold daring plan feather in my cap. I can happily talk through the rest of the Tribal Councils if necessary, but I believe from this point on I did a better job of asserting my social presence to make sure that the group of players who I considered massive threats were removed. Against my better judgement socially, I even went so far as to directly lie to Hoopa about the statistics of her Tribal Council in order to dissuade her from making a social power play. It's not something that I enjoyed doing a whole lot, but I think it was a sound strategic move. As a second part: My play definitely changed from this point for the better strategically. As I mentioned I don't think I had the capacity to make pro-win condition BIG plays, but I definitely made much more informed and more clever plays. I never wanted to hit endgame and say "Vote for me because I was a crafty snake", but I think I found a much better balance between a vanilla social game (which you rightly mentioned everyone has seen a thousand times over), and a subtly crafty strategic game.
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Post by Cobalion on Mar 9, 2019 4:56:13 GMT
Deoxys-- it saddens and shames me that you think Windmill Form is a topic that's so easily cast aside. Since Meltan doesn't have any questions to ask at the moment, I've got one he might like; draw 'Windmill Form' as it looks in your imagination, and post it here. If it's up to my standard, I will give you my vote. This isn't a guarantee that it'll be up to my standard, or that you won't get my vote if you don't-- it's simply my parameters.
To Tapu Lele: What would you have done if you ended up at the end with someone who had a stronger social game? To me and basically everyone else out here, it looked like it was Deoxys and Regigigas taking you to the end because you were the easiest person to beat, not the other way around. What agency, if any at all, did you have in votes-- beyond ones that were easy (Such as mine) or already decided?
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Post by Cobalion on Mar 9, 2019 5:06:08 GMT
And a serious question to Deoxys, before anyone else asks it: How much should I factor that you've played more than twice into my vote in this tribal council? Would you argue that your experience has given you an advantage against these newbies?
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Post by Deoxys on Mar 9, 2019 5:11:27 GMT
Here is my interpretation of Deoxys Windmill Form
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Post by Tapu Lele on Mar 9, 2019 5:12:57 GMT
I don't have an answer for that. Frankly, if I had let myself be dragged to endgame by people who'd played stronger games than me in the same vein that I had played in, I would have been the goat everyone said I was. Obviously I would still be here pleading my case, but I do not think I'd have as sound a platform to stand on as I do now. If I gave off the impression that I was being dragged to endgame right up until the end, that's not something I'm ashamed of. I reached endgame with the players I wanted gone, gone. From my point of view that's testament to the fact that what I wanted to do worked.
It would be unfair of me to suggest that I was a domineering force in the votes, but I certainly had agency and made sure that they went the way I needed them to. Even those that were easy already decided were not ones that I let idly slip by. They were ones that I carefully considered and made sure they were the correct eliminations for me, not exclusively a way for me to stay alive.
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Post by Cobalion on Mar 9, 2019 5:14:08 GMT
This is a good picture. Thank you.
I won't say whether or not it has won me over just yet-- I want all of you to put as much thought as you can into my subsequent questions.
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Deoxys
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Post by Deoxys on Mar 9, 2019 5:16:25 GMT
And a serious question to Deoxys, before anyone else asks it: How much should I factor that you've played more than twice into my vote in this tribal council? Would you argue that your experience has given you an advantage against these newbies? I think it's a factor like anything else is, but not a strong one. We all signed up to play this game under this format, and we all knew what we were signing up for - I think you should judge everyone on how they played in this game of Survivor: Legendary. And while factoring in my experience as counting against me if you want, keep in mind that it's not like I have particularly good experience to draws on as I think is showed by the fact that I was in a hole very early into the game. I was able to adapt at that point and many others throughout the game into the player that is sitting here now and I very much know that the Deoxys of Mystic 1.0 would not have been able to play as well as I did in this game. I am here because I listened and learned to those who had more experience and success than I had, just as the Valor players presumably tried to do - I learned from my opponents and fellow players though, not from someone who I knew I could implicitly trust and who was giving me advice that I could without doubt know was in my best interests.
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Post by Cobalion on Mar 9, 2019 5:27:28 GMT
Tapu, you say that your only goal was to survive, not to win. And you have certainly done that. But in the process, you've taken up the more difficult task of eeaching a goal you admittedly haven't been giving 100% in trying to obtain.
1. Why aren't you concerned about the perceptions of the Jurors as they come in? That should literally be, like, your top priority right now-- to not give off the impression that you were dragged to the end. I will concede the second part to you-- but in doing so without an attempt to change opinions before this, you have essentially made it more beneficial for them to come to the end with you, because they now have more of a case to win, and compared to a player who defers to the excuse of being a newbie instead of putting forth what they have or haven'f done, their chances are much more increased.
2. If you state that you were mostly trying to survive and be social, since you weren't exactly a dominant force, then why should I care about your assumedly passive game instead of Deoxys and Regigigas, who are both recognizable as players who did things to advance their position in the game?
3. You said your goal for winning was to have a strong, unique social game. However, wouldn't the better, more well-rounded cases of both social and strategic games that Deoxys and Regigigas presented be more appealing than a game that only focuses on one aspect of Survivor? As the saying goes, 'Jack of all trades, master of none--' I actually don't get how the saying goes, but you get the point.
4. Alright. Can you give examples of votes you had a noticeable impact on?
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Post by Cobalion on Mar 9, 2019 5:31:13 GMT
Deoxys, here's the thing-- how do I know you're not lying about being less experienced than other players? For all I know, you could just be trying to reduce how different you are from your competitors by playing down how much experience you have when it comes to games like this. And I'm pretty sure every Juror here knows you're more than willing to lie about trivial things such as past placement.
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Post by Deoxys on Mar 9, 2019 5:40:31 GMT
Deoxys, here's the thing-- how do I know you're not lying about being less experienced than other players? For all I know, you could just be trying to reduce how different you are from your competitors by playing down how much experience you have when it comes to games like this. And I'm pretty sure every Juror here knows you're more than willing to lie about trivial things such as past placement. Is lying about past placement a thing that happens? Between that and Volc saying he was misleading people about his personal details...doesn't that defeat the purpose of a game like Survivor? The one thing that differentiates this game from one like Chess or a board game like Caverna is that is has a social component to it and so lying about the social things just seems pretty cross-purpose to me. Having said all of that, obviously there's nothing I can say to you to prove that I am not lying about it - but I'm also not asking you to vote for me because of it. I brought it up because you mentioned the fact I had played before (compared to zero for the Valors) but I don't think either of those things should matter compared to how good of a game someone played *in this game*. If say Hoopa had made it to the end, I don't think it would or should have been counted against her that she had done well before, nor would she benefit in my eyes from having made it far despite people knowing she had done well before. She would be judged on how well of a game she had played in this one, and probably swept the entire jury depending on who she was against. (Picked Hoopa because she's someone who I am quite sure it was common knowledge that had done well before, the same could apply to anyone else who was in a similar position).
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Post by Cobalion on Mar 9, 2019 5:45:49 GMT
Actually, I mostly judge people by how much I liked them or interacted with them throughout the game-- but since Hoopa and Celebi both went out back to back, I'm stuck deciding in this area. That's not to say I don't like you guys-- I just find it hard to place one above the other.
Anyway. How would you say your social game compares to Tapu Lele's? Apparently, you and Regigigas were the two she wanted to go to then end the most with, because you two were the easiest to beat. Do you think she made a mistake in setting that goal? If so, who should she have wanted to go to the end with instead?
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Deoxys
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Post by Deoxys on Mar 9, 2019 5:57:06 GMT
I think she made a mistake as it pertained to me, yes. I definitely think I played a very strong game and had a ton of control over what happened and who went out each round. Having said that, I think her options were limited by design - I knew that I was (other than Meltan) the Mystic that Regi+Tapu had the best relationship with having come out of Mystic 2.0 with them, but I also knew that my threat level was almost certainly lower than that of the other Mystics due to Meltan hyping up Hoopa/Celebi, your own displays of dominance, and Poipole playing just as strong of a strategic game as I did while being much better-perceived socially than any of Me/Tapu/Regi. In removing Volc at the merge, then Mes (who was being targeted for that vote anyways), the Uxie I knew that Regi and Tapu would probably feel like they had to go to the end with one of myself or Meltan, and I felt confident in my ability to ensure Meltan went based on how much I talked him up. Regi was a no-brainer for Tapu to go with given her options (and that's probably true for everyone left in the game after the Uxie vote); I think she underestimated me a little (and Regi did a *ton*), but I also think I had left them both with almost no other viable options.
For myself, I knew around the Uxie vote that I wanted to go to the end with Regi, and decided that though Tapu was very likable she had significantly less agency than some of the other Mystics whom I might have wanted to go with otherwise. But that's the difference between myself and I think the two of them - they are at the end with me because I chose to side with them over the other options I had (you probably would have gone to the end with me I imagine, I think it's likely Hoopa/Celebi would have gone to the end with me especially if I hadn't flipped back and forth so much, Poipole I think wanted to go certainly far with me); I am at the end with them because they had no other option in terms of people they could beat or reasonable opportunity to take me out (since by F5 when they could have flipped on me it would have been suicide to both let Hoopa get to 4 and then also be forced to go to the end with Celebi even in a best-case scenario).
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Post by Deoxys on Mar 9, 2019 6:05:22 GMT
Going to piggyback on my answer here to tell everyone I am off to bed. Have a good night all, and I look forward to more discourse with you all tomorrow
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Post by Tapu Lele on Mar 9, 2019 6:25:45 GMT
A fairer representation is that I frankly hadn't come to grips with what the jury was, how it worked, and what jurors would be looking for in a winner.
I don't think it's fair to say that I wasn't putting my 100% into the game. More accurately, I was dedicating my efforts to what I perceived the win condition to be. These questions pry deep into my approach to the game, and I do not want the fact I'm a newbie to cause any artificial weight to be given to consideration of me. But it is a factor in the way that my strategy 'changed' midway through the game as the amount I literally knew about the game increased.
Please take this the way I intend it: not as a justification for "weak" play. I wouldn't call my play weak, and believe I put my best game forward. It is something I need noted entirely for context around my play.
I firmly believe that I'm in a FTC with three players who have all put their strongest game forward, and each of our games is by that token necessarily substantially different. I'm not going to stand here and take credit for plays I didn't make, and factors I had nothing to do with. I've presented my case for why I think that I played well enough to be considered next to Deo and Reggie.
Jury perception is important to me, and I legitimately believe that jurors should be taking a moment to seriously consider me as a vote prospect if they haven't previously. If I was owning the fact that I was a goat and have been strung along by two players who just utterly outclassed me, I would not be putting this much energy into pleading my case for FTC.
I'm more than happy to stand here and say that I think I played a substantially stronger social game than both Reggie and Deo. I'm also proud to say that my strategic game improved markedly over the course of this game. I'm more than happy to show what I've done, and help jurors to see my perspective. Your question regarding jack of all trades and so forth is very much a dead end, from my perspective. I've laid down why I think I'm worthy of your vote. If you disagree with my platform and assert that Reggie & Deo have outclassed me adequately on their strategic games that I am not worthy, I'm not sure where to go next. It's ultimately your decision how you weigh your vote, and if that's the call you make which swings you into Deo/Reggie dichotomy, I understand where you're coming from.
I should probably fix my psychic skills via TM...
(This has been mobile-posted; I'll review your questions when I'm in front of a screen & agile to see if there's anything in particular I should be responding to more directly.)
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Post by Cobalion on Mar 9, 2019 6:47:26 GMT
So Deoxys, that again brings me to a question-- yes, you've talked a lot about your strategic game, but what about your social game, and how it compares to Tapu Lele's (Or even Regigigas's, for that matter)? I've noticed a general sentiment going around that she believes she outclassed you in that tegard, and given my sources, it seems to be the case. How would you approach someone if they were deciding to vote between you three based purely on social skills, without any other extermal factors? Do you think Tapu Lele could have benefitted from you being in the end because she outclasses you in at least one subjecf?
Also, I noticed that you talked a lot about threats, and who you could beat. Do you really think your own game is barely in the top half out of all the merge players, given how you stated me, Hoopa, Celebi, Poipole, and Meltan could beat you in the end?
Tapu Lele, thank you. Those answers are all fair and considerate. I have to restate a question of mine I asked previously, though-- which votes did you have a direct and boticeable impact on, like you claimed?
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Post by Regigigas on Mar 9, 2019 11:47:52 GMT
To Regigigas: How can you justify the game you played when you spent the entire pre-merge with an unfair advantage over your fellow contestants? I'm going to assume this is a question about me coming into this game knowing what I'm doing, yeah? Simple answer: I wasn't the only one. Victini, Tapu, and Uxie, whom you have all met, immediately came off as potential power players who knew what they were doing as well. I believe if Victini wasn't idoled out, he could have become a real force to be reckoned with in merge. Add mespirit to that batch for good measure, since she also came across as a good player but we never really got to see her in a ton of action. In fact, she was able to catch onto mewtwo's sketch on instinct and vote him out for that, so we know she's a player. Just because someone's a newbie doesn't mean they're going to be playing like a dud and not PMing people. We can have strong showings too. Go back and look at those spreadsheets on mafiascum and you will see lots of people did really well in their first games. I was cast for this game, and that's justification enough. If the mods didn't want me here because it would be unfair or sth, I wouldn't have been here. I think the newbie cast was balanced and had a lot of potential spread across the board. Let me know if I misinterpreted that question.
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Post by Deoxys on Mar 9, 2019 12:02:54 GMT
I do not think Tapu outclassed me in the social game at all. I think that she certainly has far less blood on her hands than I do and so it might be easy to look at it from that perspective like she had a better social game because less people are upset with her, but I don't think that's indicative of the social game. So much of what I was able to do throughout the postmerge (and the pre-merge too, for that matter) I did because of my social game. The reason I was able to shuffle back and forth between both sides is precisely because of the work of my social game; until after the Uxie vote, every single person in the game who I had shared a tribe with thought I was loyal to them and working with them. I did everything I could to absolutely never cross the line between personal and game. I had a large amount of social capital in this game that allowed me an extraordinary amount of maneuverability, and all of that was obtained through what I think was a good social game; others enjoyed my company, actively wanted to work and talk with me, and viewed me as a friend.
Tapu's 'social game' and likability appear stronger than I think they are due to lack of blood on her hands, but also because she very clearly was making a conscious and dedicated effort to avoid having any responsibility for what was happening. My experience in working with her, and that I know of at least one other person who told me they had similar frustrations, is that she would often purposefully refuse to participate in strategic conversations and use charm/playfulness instead - there were several times when even as a deadline approached when I would ask her what she was thinking, who she wanted to vote, etc and her response would be to deflect completely with a total non-sequitur; at the F5 vote for example her response when asked what her plan was (after several back-and-forth PMs asking and getting playful non-responsive answers) "The sparrow flies north for winter and the cat dances in the sink". There was another time where for example Poipole had told me something Tapu had said the night before (I want to say that she wanted to vote Regi, but I could be wrong) and when I talked to Tapu she said it had been a miscommunication, but told Poipole she did mean that the night before but had changed her mind; when I then told Tapu something like 'Poipole is saying it wasn't a miscommunication and that you've told her you changed her mind. Is she lying' Tapu kept dancing around with more double-talk saying that Poipole wasn't lying to me but also it was a miscommunication, etc. I don't think being someone that goes out of their way to avoid engaging in the gameplay as much as possible is the sign of a good social game, as much as it might mean you are more liked by the people voted out; to me, a strong social game is having real, genuine bonds in the game that you are then able to leverage to advance yourself further, which is what I was able to do.
As for Regi...I definitely don't think he had a better social game than I did. I've talked a lot about my unwillingness to take things to a personal level, and I do think that matters in a game like this, but clearly Regi had no such hesitations. He was rude, offensive, and degrading to me for most of the post-merge; calling me useless, a goat, telling me over and over how I could never beat him - at one point at either F5 or F6 he laughingly told me that my path to victory was hoping it would be a F2 and I could win immunity and be able to sit next to Tapu who even I could beat. This side of him came out during the F4 tribal council when he lashed out at me after seeing that he got two votes and his true self came out, not whatever facade he put on with others.
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