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Post by Delphox on Mar 8, 2019 3:32:19 GMT
Maybe Deoxys will come off so cold and Regi so toxic that the jury just has to award Tapu Lele the win. I don't usually enjoy when people vote against a player rather than for them, but any chance to get #TapuSlayLe trending I will take. From a stragetic view, I want Deo to win because I think he'd be the best winner. From an emotional view, Tapu Lele. If this was an actual season of Survivor, Regi would probably be the best winner because he was such a character. All winners in their own way~
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Post by Tate & Liza on Mar 8, 2019 3:52:29 GMT
I think if Regi could tighten up his speech more to fix it around themes, it's quite a great speech for him. He's editing, and it gets better so that he's not talking too too much.
His themes could be:
Instead of "pushing threats off a cliff" it should be "I know my personality is brash and chaotic, so I needed to empower my allies to become bigger players than they felt comfortable, and then I could hide behind them. Being a big guy, I needed allies (whether created or stolen) to become bigger shields than I would be".
Instead of "I learned from my mistakes and others" it should be "I continue to learn from mistakes, and while I am a newbie, I don't claim to be an expert of this game, despite my big personality. I hope that you, as jury members, can teach me to become a better player for the future through your questions. I did what I did because I felt it was best for the hand I was dealt, and I was not at the top of power in my tribes, so I needed to manage the threats in this game. However, I was able to scrap my way to this F3 because I knew how to take advantage of the rivalries."
The description of his alignment scheme kinda helps him, so that people may see it was quite intentional.
His themes are probably the best themes for his gameplay - but the delivery is not deferent to the jury. I'm really bothered he's decided to keep the "push the threats off the cliff" terminology. It was great for he and I in the confessional, but that's not jury talk. More cocky than needed.
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Post by Bastiodon on Mar 8, 2019 4:23:25 GMT
Reading over his third draft I think it's fantastic.
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Post by Solgaleo on Mar 8, 2019 4:42:17 GMT
So yeah, sort of been touched on but I think I know what line Tapu needs to take. Straight up, Tapu is not going to win trying to spend their speech focusing on strategy, but fortunately, when people decide on things you don't need to win every single area, just the most important one, it's called weighing. So Tapu needs to completely side step the strategy, or at least the strategy that both Deo and Regi tried in similar but different ways.
Like survivor is meant to be a reality game show, the cast is meant to be a stand in for society, for people. The big twist of the game is that the people who you've screwed over are the ones that decide your fate. Now in real life, if there's a person at your job who tries to play everyone and will try to be nice to you, but in the end will screw you over to advance themselves, do you really want that person to be rewarded? Like, why is it that suddenly being on an island makes it okay to lie and backstab and try and bit people against each other, get other people in trouble for your actions. Like sure, it's a game but they are still people. And when you cast your ballot, given this is an allegory for real life, you are saying that this is the type of person you want to win at life, especially on the real show where you are giving them a million dollars. And like in a final 3 where everyone sort of played that kind of game, then sure then probably just going to let the person who did it best win as there's no clear philosophical difference. But unlike Deo and Reggie, Tapu didn't play the middle, Tapu had an alliance on Mystic 2.0 and Tapu stuck with that. When they betrayed people they told them about it, and like even if they didn't make a move...why is that necesarry? In fact the whole Regi thing can be spun as a good thing, how they almost tried to make a half hearted attempt to play the game, but in the end, recanted and sided with their friends. And like what was all that lying and backstabbing for? A promotion? Some added reputation? Winning a game? Why should the people who went all in on that and lost sight of what matters be the ones we support instead of the people who were just..nice instead?
Ofc this line probably has problems (for one it is a game and a lot of the jury seems to be taking most things not very personally and tapu did try to play) but I feel it can undercut a lot of Reggie's and Deo's best points and give a clear reason to vote for Tapu. Ofc with Deo they will try to tie into the lessons people taught them and that may work for a good amount of them, or it may feel hollow and cold and work against them.
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Post by Spewpa on Mar 8, 2019 4:59:04 GMT
I feel like this game is Deoyxs. Reggie needed to vote out Tapu Lele here to actually make his own mark, and "play against the best", as some people have said.
Yes Celebi as it stands before FTC would pick up more votes than Lele, but they would be stolen from Deoxys vote.
I have a Lele win though, because the bitterness for Deo & Reg will be sweet. (provided it's not enough that they don't try again, we need both of them in this community.) Although mostly because Tapu has the game most like my own, but nicer, as I know I'd try to be a snake if it were possible.
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Post by Jasmine on Mar 8, 2019 5:50:54 GMT
Deoxys wins in a landslide and probably deservedly so
It's not thrilling, but it's fine
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Post by Jasmine on Mar 8, 2019 5:51:48 GMT
My newbie had the best shot at winning by a lot
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Post by Jasmine on Mar 8, 2019 5:55:55 GMT
Probably the most likely thing I could see going wrong for deoxys here would be if the jury catches onto his scummy rhetorical tactics, which I'd rate as very unlikely.
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Post by Solgaleo on Mar 8, 2019 6:08:57 GMT
wait...did deo just compare themselves to jeff varner in their opening statement? Why?
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Post by Bastiodon on Mar 8, 2019 6:10:51 GMT
wait...did deo just compare themselves to jeff varner in their opening statement? Why? EDIT: Unnecessary post removed.
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Post by Hoothoot on Mar 8, 2019 6:11:44 GMT
Someone is gonna bomb this ftc. I can feel it. Don't know who yet, but someone
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Post by Giratina on Mar 8, 2019 6:11:45 GMT
I DON'T KNOW I WAS LITERALLY ABOUT TO SAY THE SAME THING. ALSO THAT SPEECH FORMAT IS GHASTLY. AT LEAST REGI BREAKS HIS UP USING INTERESTING BREAKS AND FONTS. HE'S ALSO WAY MORE CONCISE DESPITE THE LENGTH.
IF DEO DOESN'T EDIT, I'M ACTUALLY THINKING WE MIGHT HAVE A MATCH HERE. *BARKS WITH CURIOSITY*
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Post by Charizard on Mar 8, 2019 6:14:14 GMT
Jeff Varner wrote a book you should buy!
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Post by Charizard on Mar 8, 2019 6:14:30 GMT
*cough cough*
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Post by Jasmine on Mar 8, 2019 6:15:37 GMT
There are so many non-Jeff-Varner people he could've referred to
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Post by Solgaleo on Mar 8, 2019 6:20:31 GMT
Indeed, like...you could go with Vytas, or Bobby John I think, or Russell Swan. Especially the last one.
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Post by Steven on Mar 8, 2019 6:49:01 GMT
Is Deoxys still pretending he's basically a newbie because if so yuck
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Post by Solgaleo on Mar 8, 2019 8:36:13 GMT
Hmmm...so looking over Deoxys' first draft and Reggies third. I definitely like Reggie's more, now it has some easy areas to attack (like saying "Poi was not a threat" while Deox focuses on that, giving Celebi one line and not about how much he liked them and Deox talking about Coba and his idol), but it definitely sells himself more as a mover and a shaker, actively working his way into the alliances of people and pulling of some strong moves. It's formatting is nice and it really brings to life a character and person I can vote for, even if I disagree with their methods and they have their faults. It also grabs a good amount of cred for things that Deo attributes to Meltan.
Meanwhile Deox's is poorly formatted (oh boy my eyes), pays lips service to strong emotions but is all tell, but no show. It feels like a logical recounting of what they did and why. It doesn't feel like an active game except for the part of poipile and even then, is still not very...sexy I guess. Like it's still an okay recounting but doesn't draw me in at all and nothing super pops for me except the Poipile paragraph.
Also like Regi really had to work to play both sides and managed to get tight with Meltan and manage to talk to the Mystics to gain their trust, whereas Deo had an already established relationship. Like Regi definitely looks like they played a lot harder and it means a lot more to them.
Also side note, I'm disappointed that I'm a footnote in Deo's thing, not because I thought I wouldn't be, but because like...he literally could have turned it into a great lesson instead of saying "I rode meltan" essentially. Like come on, you have a dude who talks to everyone a good amount, could probably coast through a tribal if he needed to, and instead overplays himself into death. You can literally say, "and so I figured the background would be the best place for me and that I should not overplay, I should instead be subtle with my actions". Also it's really odd when Poi and Hoops were close allies with him and he's like "yeah and I just didn't click with that person you mentioned crying over when they died". I don't think this impacts stuff at all, but hey, it's the one time I'll be mentioned at FTC so I may as well comment.
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Post by Giratina on Mar 8, 2019 8:45:30 GMT
DEO DEFINITELY HAS AN UNDERWHELMING SPEECH AT THIS POINT UNLESS HE EDITS. I THINK THIS TRIBAL BOILS DOWN TO THREE THINGS: REGI'S PASSION/DRIVE, TAPU'S FRIENDLINESS/LIKABILITY, AND DEO'S ABILITY, OR LACK THEREOF DEPENDING ON HOW REACTIONS TO SPEECH & FTC GO, TO CONVEY HIMSELF AS A STRATEGIC MASTERMIND.
WHICH WILL WIN OUT MORE? THAT'S INCREDIBLY DIFFICULT TO SAY AT THIS POINT, THOUGH IT IS LIKELY TAPU WILL SETTLE FOR 2ND OR 3RD BASED ON THE FINAL COUPLE ROUNDS. I HOPE THERE ARE SOME ENTERTAINING MOMENTS THIS FTC THOUGH, IT SEEMS LIKELY IT WILL HAPPEN, BUT WE SHALL SEE.
*ROARS IN ANTICIPATION*
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Post by Delphox on Mar 8, 2019 9:02:14 GMT
You know what I was just thinking about from my edgic thread? Meltan might vote for Tapu and Volc might vote for Tapu. I think Uxie will vote for Tapu. And there might be a chance Mesprit is turned off by the arrogance of Regi and be cold to Deoxys.
Could you imagine a 4-4 tie with Regi being the deciding vote? Oh goodness someone use Dream Eater on me because I should not be having those kind of thoughts right now.
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Post by Giratina on Mar 8, 2019 9:09:05 GMT
ON TOP OF THAT WHAT IF REGI SWAYS A DEOXYS VOTE AWAY?
THEN YOU HAVE 4-3-1, TAPU WINS.
ENJOY THE EATING OF YOUR DREAMS *HYPNOSIS BELLOW*
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Post by Misty on Mar 8, 2019 9:29:08 GMT
Oh Tapu It's okay you're still amazing
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Post by Spewpa on Mar 8, 2019 12:17:17 GMT
dude it's not a new episode, it's the same finale episode. banned. then we should really still be in the final 6 thread. /jokeruiner
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Post by Spewpa on Mar 8, 2019 12:18:38 GMT
Tapu has a good speech, in that I read more of theirs than I did Reggie/Deo
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Post by Mewtwo on Mar 8, 2019 12:59:29 GMT
Tapu has a good speech, in that I read more of theirs than I did Reggie/Deo I'm glad I'm not the only one to skim read those long add speeches xD What's everyone's opinion on speech lengths? Like because if you don't put enough then you won't really be heard but if you put too much then it'll become such a chore to read that you might get lost on some jury members
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