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Post by Regigigas on Feb 13, 2019 0:37:15 GMT
Well there goes my #1 secret ally. Press F for mewtwo. In the end all my saving him accomplished was switching buzz and mewtwo around in the grand boot order, and netted me some nice information about valor's relationships. And maybe it at least taught him what it is like to play survivor for real. That's worth something at least. Now instead of going out like "wtf was I supposed to do" maybe he'll come back for another game some time.
What could have possibly happened? Did mespirit get backstabbed by Volc? Did volc and/or mespirit make a pact with the big boys? I didn't trust volc before but this looks really bad on his record now.
Damn this is bad. I hope we lose this next challenge just so I know what will happen instead of risking those tricky pros getting the snipe on another one of us.
Who's my backup? Meltan. Tapu and I might even need each other. This whole tribe needs each other. Except articuno, that guy can just go die tbh, I know he's in kahoots with celebi.
Also cobalion has an idol.
Posting relationship chart shortly.
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Post by Regigigas on Feb 13, 2019 0:43:37 GMT
If I threw the wheel of fortune challenge then we'd be down to 13 people and there's no swap at 13. And going to a 4-man vote in this tribe would be literal hell if we lost a second time. Maybe at 13 I will intentionally underperform. I don't want articuno to make it to merge!!!
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Post by Tate & Liza on Feb 13, 2019 0:46:47 GMT
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Throwing challenges is rarely advised. With a second possible swap before merge there are plenty of chances to reset. Especially if your future after this tribe is still in the air.
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Post by Regigigas on Feb 13, 2019 0:47:50 GMT
Good. Was just waiting for you to come in and say "don't do it.". My future is indeed questionable. I wonder when that next swap could possibly be though.
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Post by Regigigas on Feb 13, 2019 0:58:56 GMT
KSS merge was 12 I think, but that was a huge game and 12 man merge was literally insane. Maybe this merge will be at 9 - in that case we have a long ways to go. Okay, let's go for the long run.
Valor
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Cobalion - This guy has an idol, according to Meltan.
Victini - Primary scheming buddy. Doesn't seem to be close with a lot of people other then me. Might remain reliable through the swap.
Poipole - Laughed at my joke once. Looks like an ugly space monkey.
Uxie - Allied. Very easy to get along with. Hopefully I can still connect with him and Victini when we meet again.
Lugia - Weakest survivor of valor. Not likely to survive another TC at valor.
Mystic
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Reggie - The hero of this story.
Tapu - The core of valor. Valor will probably crumble however, I think we need each other.
Articuno - Sane, stable person. Has connections to the big players on mystic 1.0.
Deoxys - Allies with meltan. I ought to ally this guy in the near future, potentially this episode.
Meltan - New #1 ally. We are ready to work together. Would have been the next vote on Mystic 1.0.
Instinct
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Mespirit - I hope we can get along in the future. Perhaps through tapu.
Volcanus - This guy probably stabbed mewtwo and mespirit. Allied with lugia, probably gives foot massages to celebi and hoopa.
Celebi - Bullied meltan.
Hoopa - Bullied meltan. Seems to be the kingpin of mystic 1.0.
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Legend:
Green - ally. Darker = stronger.
Blue - Friendly but not allied
Yellow - Scary / Threat
Pink - TC fodder / weak
Red - Not allied or friendly
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Comments/Updates:
Lost my number one ally, picked up another one. Sucks, but you gotta do what you gotta do to keep moving forwards.
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Post by Tate & Liza on Feb 13, 2019 1:30:14 GMT
Depends what poses the more imminent threat articuno, an idol flush, a pro majority?
Throwing to destroy a clear imminent predictable threat is advantageous. Especially if you know merge is inches away.
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Post by Regigigas on Feb 13, 2019 2:48:20 GMT
I'm thinking like... 14 --2 more votes-> swap into 6-6 at 12, merge at 9. Not sure what would happen if one tribe lost 3 times though, mods don't like to do 3-way votes in tribes. Maybe it's like 13 + exile island. But is that too non-vanilla? See this is where knowing the MS metagame would help me a bit here.
Is there a game you can point me to in the MS library where mods actually ran 3 single-votes on 5-man tribes?
A pro majority is probably not the biggest threat to me assuming I have meltan and deoxys on my side. But at the same time, the pros basically would have volc and maybe lugia on their side so it cancels out. Idol flush. That would be targeting cobalion. Hmm, not sure what that would look like. He's pretty safe on valor while lugia is still alive.
The thing is that if my data is good, Articuno is just 100% going to be a number for the big boys in the game, and if the big boy get their way, he might even make it all the way once they start getting pushed off cliffs. It's kind of like the yasuhiro snipe I made in KSS. An opportunity to eliminate someone that I don't know how to eliminate later.
We can talk about that at 13 once I maybe have deoxys allied. I'll do my best in wheel of fortune unless I know a swap is around the corner.
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Post by Tate & Liza on Feb 13, 2019 4:24:40 GMT
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Post by Tate & Liza on Feb 13, 2019 5:28:14 GMT
I'm thinking like... 14 --2 more votes-> swap into 6-6 at 12, merge at 9. Not sure what would happen if one tribe lost 3 times though, mods don't like to do 3-way votes in tribes. Maybe it's like 13 + exile island. But is that too non-vanilla? See this is where knowing the MS metagame would help me a bit here. Is there a game you can point me to in the MS library where mods actually ran 3 single-votes on 5-man tribes? Sadly, my only game Battle of the Bands kinda did that. Except 5-man tribes had a replacement from exile come in after the first tribal - so it went (5 into 5), (5 into 4), (4 into 3) - then a swap for tribes of 6-6 then quickly to merge at 11. Most 3-tribe splits are at 18 for tribes of 6. The only other games that had a 5-5-5 was Survivor: 2016. They only ran 2 single-votes. Another was Hyrule which had two double-votes to get down to 3 in a tribe. Oh wait GoT had 3 votes in a 5-5-5 situation, but I think no tribe lost more than once. That was ages ago. It's rare but I think mods aren't necessarily scared of doing it. Generally in my game planning sessions in the past, when there are 3-tribe systems, I'd be willing to only have as many votes so that you never get to a 1 vs 1 vote. I'd prefer not to get to a 3-way vote, but I wouldn't rule it out. The rest were several years ago so not sure it's applicable anymore. Anyway the survivor wiki is good to read up on if you've got time to waste and want to research game formats. |
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Post by Regigigas on Feb 13, 2019 12:07:19 GMT
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Mewtwo name dropping me? I don't understand what that exactly means. Trying to remotely throw me under the bus? I doubt it, he immediately showed up in my confessional after getting voted off so I assume he's cheering for me.
Saying my name like "hey i like reggie"? Maybe, he was a bit careless with some information and liked to talk game quickly. But is him saying "i like reggie" and getting voted out a bad thing?
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Post by Regigigas on Feb 13, 2019 23:36:20 GMT
I may or may not try my hardest in this challenge.
I don't want a pro majority. I don't want instinct to lose. Cobalion has an idol on valor, so this could potentially be the only place to kill off a pro.
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Post by Regigigas on Feb 13, 2019 23:42:26 GMT
Currently playing kinda dumb with deoxys, pretending like I don't know how juries work and expecting merge to be at 9 'cause thats the halfway point. He's a frosty guy who isn't eager to open up. Thank goodness for meltan.
Tapu and I are literally the same person at this point, except I'm a slightly stronger version of her. Every time one of us experiences something, the other one experiences it too. The only exception to that rule being having a secret very tight relationship with meltan. But who knows, maybe she does too and we're literally just evenly matched all around. Like...
1. we both fail the idol clue capital letters (probably just a red herring tbh)
2. meltan sends the two of us a wallpost saying he wants to work with us
3. articuno says something about an idol to both of us (I already heard it from meltan, so this was tapu's first time hearing it. She didn't really believe it.)
4. we both can't really get deoxys to open up
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Post by Tate & Liza on Feb 14, 2019 0:45:12 GMT
I'd be greatly surprised if there's a strict rookie pagonging. There hasn't been a true full tribal pagong since years ago. Your strategies seem to be assuming this? At least that's how I'm reading this.
Also, how are you trying to leave your mark and being someone fun and memorable?
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Post by Regigigas on Feb 14, 2019 0:53:53 GMT
there's 100% no pagong happening even though tapu thought it was gonna happen. i was just humoring her a bit too much and started believing it on accident.
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Post by Regigigas on Feb 14, 2019 0:58:29 GMT
Trying to get some friends first to survive and have a chance to be fun and memorable. Most of the fun crazy stuff happens in merge anyways. Till then I'm just being an enjoyable guy.
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Post by Regigigas on Feb 14, 2019 2:12:55 GMT
I decided not to throw the challenge once I saw that cobalion was going to lose. Wouldn't it be sweet if he had to burn that idol?  |
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Post by Tate & Liza on Feb 14, 2019 2:18:29 GMT
Wouldn't it be great if he had to burn that idol plus Poipole goes?
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Post by Tate & Liza on Feb 14, 2019 2:19:10 GMT
or even Lugia?
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Post by Regigigas on Feb 14, 2019 2:19:16 GMT
heheeheheheh now we're talking
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Post by Regigigas on Feb 14, 2019 2:19:33 GMT
imagine idoling out lugia HAAAAAAAH
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Post by Tate & Liza on Feb 14, 2019 2:22:51 GMT
Congrats!
Well if there's a swap or merge coming up, I wonder if my role will end soon. So maybe it would be good to talk long-term and what you need at this point while you still have me around?
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Post by Regigigas on Feb 14, 2019 2:54:42 GMT
Yeah, I bet trainers go away at merge. Long term, okay. I don't know how much detail will really be useful because of how quickly things change, but I can try. Absolute nonsense rambling about long term  : Deoxys is slowly being onboarded by Meltan into ThePlan. ThePlan (TM) is to target Poipole, Celebi, and Hoopa at the start of merge, for being big threats. I also don't have nearly as many allies as I'd like to have. By we, I mean I want Meltan and Deoxys to be the head, heart, and public image of this plan, so that I can push them off a cliff later, or they get the heat if it fails. I want Tapu and I to be the low profile recruiters that recruit Victini, Uxie, and Mespirit on board. Sell it like it's a "lol free boots, pros are canibilizing each other, we can just let them fight" situation. Of course, it all depends on how this vote on valor goes. If valor 1.0 sticks together on that tribe (I think lugia probably? would? maybE?) then that's good, and poipole can be our first target if he's still alive since he would have the least friends since he made sort of enemies in the vote. idk this is too specific, who knows what will really happen... In general, I want to be the guy standing behind Tapu/Mespirit and Meltan/Deoxys, with Victini/Uxie as scheming buddies to help push people off cliffs when their time comes. I want meltan to make it far so I can push him off a cliff near the end. Tapu maybe as well, but idk if she has my best interest in mind. If Victini seems loyal and sane when if and when he gets out of Valor 2.0, maybe he would be someone to bring to the end since he doesn't have a lot of friends. But in the short long term, I plan to work with Meltan/Deoxys to overthrow Hoopa/Celebi/Poipole. Not sure what our numbers will look like until I see em in front of me. Once the big boys are overthrown, it's Meltan/Deoxys who are the new biggest boys, or maybe it's Mespirit/Tapu. I really don't know but generally, I just want to go along with the consensus agenda as long as it's good for me and then when it's time to push those descision makers off a cliff, do it, and elect a new president who will be good for me. Yeah, just keep electing good presidents. Somehow deal with articuno and cobalion somewhere in there. Deoxys is allegedly already scheming about who we can recruit to do it. He's counting articuno over tapu though which will be interesting. |
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Post by Delphox on Feb 14, 2019 4:36:40 GMT
1) Congratulations on your second win! You’re on a roll. Has this extra time to bond with your tribe helped shape your relationships? Or are you just itching to get to tribal?
2) Please rank your tribesmates in order of how much you want to work with them to least.
3) Is there anyone on the other tribes you are concerned about? Why or why not?
4) What is your plan to make it to the merge? And is it too early to be thinking of jury management?
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Post by Tate & Liza on Feb 14, 2019 6:47:36 GMT
Deoxys is slowly being onboarded by Meltan into ThePlan. ThePlan (TM) is to target Poipole, Celebi, and Hoopa at the start of merge, for being big threats. I also don't have nearly as many allies as I'd like to have. By we, I mean I want Meltan and Deoxys to be the head, heart, and public image of this plan, so that I can push them off a cliff later, or they get the heat if it fails. I want Tapu and I to be the low profile recruiters that recruit Victini, Uxie, and Mespirit on board. Sell it like it's a "lol free boots, pros are canibilizing each other, we can just let them fight" situation. Deoxys is allegedly already scheming about who we can recruit to do it. He's counting articuno over tapu though which will be interesting. Any thoughts on Deo wanting this, yet Meltan kinda leading in a different direction initially? Do you think Tapu has any type of relationship with Deo, Arti, Meltan? Does Tapu's level of engagement with you during this swap tell you anything about her intentions to survive short-term or long-term? Also, I love that you're condering pushing off a cliff so much. Such a great thinker. I'll reply better tomorrow when I have more brain power. |
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Post by Regigigas on Feb 14, 2019 12:08:22 GMT
1) Congratulations on your second win! You’re on a roll. Has this extra time to bond with your tribe helped shape your relationships? Or are you just itching to get to tribal? 2) Please rank your tribesmates in order of how much you want to work with them to least. 3) Is there anyone on the other tribes you are concerned about? Why or why not? 4) What is your plan to make it to the merge? And is it too early to be thinking of jury management? 1) Extra time to bond with deoxys incoming. Deoxys/Meltan/Tapu/Reggie will become closer and closer. Idk what articuno is doing tbh but deoxys seems to like him. If I wanted to be at tribal, we would be at tribal.  2) Meltan > Tapu >= Deoxys >> Articuno 3) Hoopa. Poipole. Celebi. They are described as big threats. Cobalion has an idol. Volcanus potentially backstabbed mewtwo. Lugia might also not side with me and my allies come merge. 4) Plan to make it to merge? Win challenges, make everyone else suffer. If we lose, slam dunk articuno, which might be stressful to deoxys, but sacrifices must be made. Jury management? I don't do that  . Actually sort of. I plan on being allies with people and making them into bigger threats then myself, so when it comes time to push them off the cliff, everyone is forced into doing it because otherwise they would win. Ie. Meltan, tapu, etc. Maybe even those big 3 on mystic, who knows what will happen. Uxie can also probably be thrown under a bus later for being such a likeable social player. Then instead of it being a backstab, it's just a "oh well sorry but we all gotta do it". |
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