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Post by Wallace on Mar 9, 2019 2:13:20 GMT
Don't post in anyone else's question thread, juror. Ask all your questions here.
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Volcanion
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Post by Volcanion on Mar 9, 2019 2:50:57 GMT
I will be honest with you. I am intimidated with the speeches. >.> It will take time to process your speeches.
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Post by Volcanion on Mar 9, 2019 3:10:48 GMT
Here's my question to all three of you:
Please help me compare why you are better than the other three lots. I think I have a good idea why you lot are good, but I struggle on how to connect the dots and figure out who is better.
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Volcanion
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Post by Volcanion on Mar 9, 2019 3:11:12 GMT
I NEED A TRAINER
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEeEeeeeEEEEEEeeeeEEEEEEEEEeeeeeeeEe
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Volcanion
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Post by Volcanion on Mar 9, 2019 3:16:17 GMT
Also Regi and Tupa Lele, I am sorry that I have lied to you back in Valor 1.0
Truthfully, I have been lying about my identity .-. I am a boring person so I have to pretend to be somebody more exciting.
I am not a Brunei High School boi who is depressed due to A Levels. I am neither a Brunei nor a high schooler.
I was not glad when my sister committed suicide, because I don't have a sister. Although Dear Evan Hansen is fucking awesome.
I also do not grind poker. Although I certainly plan to ^>^.
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Post by Wallace on Mar 9, 2019 3:19:57 GMT
i've edited the above post because you used a slur. yet again.
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Regigigas
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Post by Regigigas on Mar 9, 2019 3:21:00 GMT
hahaah i thought that was her name
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Volcanion
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Post by Volcanion on Mar 9, 2019 3:38:37 GMT
:thonk:
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Deoxys
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Post by Deoxys on Mar 9, 2019 3:39:40 GMT
I'm better because I acted with more agency, I had more information, and I leveraged that information to be able to control the game the way I wanted it to go.
Your vote was a great example of that. You made it clear to me that you didn't have any bond or relationship with me and had given up on trying. So I leaked what you said to a few people, let it simmer, then told a few more. Then Coba started telling people for me, and so I was able to both distance myself from your wagon and also use it to build up Coba as a threat by talking to the Valor+Meltan side about how I hadn't meant anything by telling Coba and he was blowing it out of proportion, etc. That let me (a) lead the Mystics to vote out the one person I knew I didn't have a relationship with; (b) ensure Coba took the heat for it and was the Valor target - which I knew was the absolute safest target for the Valor+Meltan votes to be on since I had helped Coba find the idol I knew he still had. I had formed a wagon on you, I had Coba built up as both taking the heat for it and also the start to the target on his back that I would later use, I downplayed my relationship with Coba (again, despite the fact we were very close and I helped him find an idol) with the Valors by throwing shade on him and with the Mystics by freaking out about the fact we didn't have numbers despite knowing the idol was coming.
There's other examples as well I can expand on if you want. There's the fact Regi thought I believed him over Hoopa/Celebi and didn't trust the two of them when they told me he was throwing me under the bus, the fact that Regi (and this is hard for me to say with a straight face) thought he was a bigger target than Poipole at F6 and that she was a goat when she was playing a game that would have schooled any of the three of us by a country mile, the fact that I had to talk Tapu into keeping Regi and getting rid of Celebi at F4 who had also played a very strong social game, and frankly just the fact that Regi and Tapu thought I was with them the whole postmerge when my absolute loyalty was to Poipole and by design I was playing both sides against one another until we got to a point where the Mystic side a bunch of big endgame threats and the Valor side had...Regi and Tapu.
I'm happy to expand more or clarify anything if needed.
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Volcanion
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Post by Volcanion on Mar 9, 2019 3:44:38 GMT
the fact that Regi (and this is hard for me to say with a straight face) thought he was a bigger target than Poipole at F6
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Post by Tapu Lele on Mar 9, 2019 3:58:33 GMT
Here's my question to all three of you: Please help me compare why you are better than the other three lots. I think I have a good idea why you lot are good, but I struggle on how to connect the dots and figure out who is better. Firstly: no hard feelings re. lies. Not being identifiable is part of the game, and I think personally doing that by inventing an alias is probably fine? if it's any value as feedback, there was a certain ~point~ I think I could reach in getting to know you where there was kind of a social block. that's probably partially attributable to the fact you were wearing a mask. obviously not a big drama (and there's no real reason to go into it a whole lot here) but thought you might find it interesting. Regi, Deo and I are all really different people. I think the values that we have as Survivor players, and the reasons why we're proud of our respective achievements of reading Final 3, are different enough that there's a really interesting trichotomy for your role as a juror. Personally, I am proud of the way I was able to work both with and against people whilst remaining largely off their radars. I knew who my allies were, and I had their backs as far as I possibly could. Yet on the flipside, I had no reason to disrespect or treat those who weren't allies poorly. For almost every TC in Harmony, I was able to quite boldly tell the person I was voting for that I was voting for them; and even when the vote didn't go through, it was never something that was held against me and I was never moved against. I think I played a broad enough social game that I would have survived virtually everything. There may have been some players who played bigger bolder or even broader social games (e.g. Celi, Hoopa, Poipole) but I have outlasted all of them and am here floating at the end. Hopefully this post helps a little. I'm interpreting your question as basically asking for a "tl;dr" of what we see our "points of difference" as. I certainly believe this is mine.
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Deoxys
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Post by Deoxys on Mar 9, 2019 3:59:06 GMT
That's just a very clear example (to me) that Regi didn't have nearly as much information or awareness of the game and the people involved as he thought he did, and not as much information as I did. Poipole was a colossal jury threat and was probably playing the best game of anyone at the point she was idoled out.
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Regigigas
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Post by Regigigas on Mar 9, 2019 12:17:43 GMT
Actually, I played better, because I had more information!
I'll concede that my blindspot was on poipole this game. She was a good UTR player for a reason -- she wasn't on my radar.
But deoxys had a much worse blind spot in this game: Me.
I won't make you read all 9000 words in our speeches, but tl;dr, Deoxys and I have identical voting records, and flipped back and forth between sides. We had a good degree of influence over the game despite having a mostly functional relationship.
What deoxys doesn't know is that I was actually playing both sides better then he was, especially past F7. He had no idea that I was close with Celebi (and a bit hoopa), and he also had no idea I was pushing him as a target to them to the point where they were ACTUALLY targeting him, even when they leaked it back to his face. He burned that bridge and thought they were just lying to him when hoopa leaked it back to him.
I didn't burn bridges this game, period. Deoxys came into this merge with an advantage because he had connections with mystic 2.0 and mystic 1.0 - the same mystic 1.0 that ended up taking up a very quick majority of the game.
I somehow ended up in the same position as him despite having zero connection with most mystic 1.0 members coming into merge. I worked hard and aggressively played to get where I was when merge came. Deoxys just naturally found himself between both sides because he had better luck in swaps then I did. I think that's a better game played.
Also if you want to know what I did better then tapu lele, go to her speech, and open up the spoiler with my name on it. She does a good job of describing it there.
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Deoxys
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Post by Deoxys on Mar 9, 2019 12:39:03 GMT
Hold up bro.
First, since we're in Volc's thread, let's acknowledge we don't have identical voting records and that I both cast a vote for Volc and worked to make sure he would go out by being the Mystic 1.0 target and by getting the Valor votes onto the guy I helped find an idol.
Second, again - I did not burn any bridges with Hoopa or Celebi. I betrayed them a couple times and at that point Hoopa and I ended up voting for each other at five, but I always had a working relationship with her until then (at which point I was voting for her and she knew I probably would be, because she was a runaway threat) and I had a working relationship with Celebi until the end as well. Other than F4, there was never a vote in this game where I was in danger or could have gone home, unlike the two times when I talked other people into keeping you around to benefit me - at the Meltan vote and the Celebi vote.
As for the fact that I had better relations with people since the F8 was all people I had been on a tribe with? Yeah, that wasn't luck. Volc was someone I actively targeted. Then Mes. Then Uxie. I actively worked to ensure that the Valor block was all people I had good working relationships with.
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Regigigas
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Post by Regigigas on Mar 9, 2019 12:42:12 GMT
Did you have an F3 deal with Celebi and an F4 with hoopa?
Then no, you didn't have better relations with them.
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Deoxys
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Post by Deoxys on Mar 9, 2019 12:52:37 GMT
I didn't have a specific FX deal with them, no. I made absolutely sure that I never committed to anything tangible like that with people since I knew I was playing both sides and didn't want people to be able to compare notes and realize I had competing F3 deals or whatever. The only specific FX deal I had was with you two + Meltan, and that was because I knew I had the social capital to get away with it since the Mystic block would be unlikely to believe you even if you did try to sell me out - which you did, and everyone of them came right to tell me about the crazy story you were telling.
I don't accept the premise that an F4 deal with Hoopa meant you had a better relationship with her than I did; everyone including Hoopa knew that she would probably win going away at FTC, so why would she turn down a deal that gets her within a challenge? And why would Celebi turn down a F3 deal with you, especially if it came post-Meltan at a time when she would have had to go with either you or me if she didn't think she could beat Hoopa or Poi?
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Regigigas
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Post by Regigigas on Mar 9, 2019 13:02:12 GMT
Funny that you assume I was the one making those deals -- no, they came from the other person. Hoopa said she would be happy to go to F4 with me, and Celebi laid out a plan to F3 (F2 even, but that part is pretty hard to believe lmao) with a full boot order and everything. Neither of which included you making it past F5 or F6.
You're right that those were fantastic deals for them, why do you think they came to me them? And why didn't they come to you with them, if you had a better relationship with them?
If you want to sit here and tell me that you had a better relationship with people who were planning on voting you out and keeping me, I can't really take that seriously.
(man this is exhausting)
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Deoxys
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Post by Deoxys on Mar 9, 2019 13:08:21 GMT
Just getting to work tonight, I'll respond to this later since it requires more than a quick response.
Same with all you other lovely jurors. I'll be able to answer quick questions on mobile when I check in at work briefly, but I won't be able to give long answers until tonight, though of course will go back and do so then.
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Volcanion
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Post by Volcanion on Mar 9, 2019 14:03:09 GMT
Remember that I am the merge boot, so it is in your interest to proactively spoon-feed me with your narrative since I have no clue of the game.
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Volcanion
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Post by Volcanion on Mar 9, 2019 14:09:23 GMT
Also, hold on a second.
Regi thinks the vote will be 5 Regi - 3 Tapu - 0 Deoxys.
Deo thinks the vote will be 5 Regi - 2 Tapu - 1 Deoxys.
That makes no senses. Both of you are attacking each other. Clearly both of you think Tapu is the goat here. Otherwise you will start attacking him instead.
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Regigigas
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Post by Regigigas on Mar 9, 2019 14:11:39 GMT
that's a joke by the way. If you want to know the narrative of the game have you considered reading the speeches? I think I did a pretty good job in mine.
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Deoxys
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Post by Deoxys on Mar 9, 2019 16:35:16 GMT
I genuinely don't think at all that Regi played a better game than Tapu. I think Tapu owns the fact that she played a very UTR game based around being brought to the end which is a super valid strategy and way of playing since she avoided having to get blood on her hands, whereas I think Regi thinks he played some mastermind strategic game when really he happened to be the person out of several options I decided to stick with and bring to the end. He keeps saying he had options to get me voted out but that's just really not the case since the only time my name was written down was at five when Hoopa needed to be the one to go. Contrast to the flipside where I could have gotten him out over Meltan, where I had to spend a full day pleading with Poipole to keep him at six and vote Hoopa, and where I had to spend all day at four convincing Tapu to bring Regi to the end to the point the deadline hit before she could swap her vote.
If I were in the jury, there isn't a chance I'd vote Regi over Tapu in any scenario, and frankly I don't think there's a combination of 3 postmerge players that could be here where he'd get my vote. If others disagree with me then obviously that's what makes this game so fun, but I was dead serious when I said that I expect Tapu or I to win the game.
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Regigigas
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Post by Regigigas on Mar 9, 2019 17:41:13 GMT
.. something tells me it was a very good idea to bring someone who underestimates me to the end ...
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Post by Tapu Lele on Mar 9, 2019 21:38:13 GMT
Everyone underestimated the Lele.
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Regigigas
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Post by Regigigas on Mar 10, 2019 0:48:04 GMT
I genuinely don't think at all that Regi played a better game than Tapu. I think Tapu owns the fact that she played a very UTR game based around being brought to the end which is a super valid strategy and way of playing since she avoided having to get blood on her hands, whereas I think Regi thinks he played some mastermind strategic game when really he happened to be the person out of several options I decided to stick with and bring to the end. He keeps saying he had options to get me voted out but that's just really not the case since the only time my name was written down was at five when Hoopa needed to be the one to go. Contrast to the flipside where I could have gotten him out over Meltan, where I had to spend a full day pleading with Poipole to keep him at six and vote Hoopa, and where I had to spend all day at four convincing Tapu to bring Regi to the end to the point the deadline hit before she could swap her vote. If I were in the jury, there isn't a chance I'd vote Regi over Tapu in any scenario, and frankly I don't think there's a combination of 3 postmerge players that could be here where he'd get my vote. If others disagree with me then obviously that's what makes this game so fun, but I was dead serious when I said that I expect Tapu or I to win the game.
If I'm really the one who has played the worst game at FTC, you sure feel the need to call me out a lot. Look, I haven't really read your post here, and I don't really care what you've written, but do us both a favor, and just stick to answering the questions you've been asked. I don't want to be dragged down here by being associated with your arrogant, negative image, and I think we can both come out of this with better odds by just disengaging each other and just sticking to the positives of our respective games. There's good reason that the newbie guide to survivor says not to shit on your fellow finalists at FTC.
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