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Post by Spewpa on Mar 9, 2019 0:03:30 GMT
I like the expressions of our faces. Worth
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Post by Meltan on Mar 11, 2019 14:32:11 GMT
I don't even know if specs still have access to this, but I need to write this anyway
I have no clue who to vote for here literally no clue
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Post by Meltan on Mar 11, 2019 14:45:52 GMT
I loved Regi's game. He's hyper strategic and I liked his answers at the end of tribal, when he started talking about how his social game was purely strategic - it takes a hell of a lot of guts to admit that. but... at the end of the day, was his strategy that good? It was something I'd do - choose something I wanted to do, focus on the positive outcome and ignore the things that could go wrong and downplay the potential negative results in my head. I mean, it's not just something I'd do, it's something I did do, and that's a big part of why I liked his opening speech so much. He played the same way I did, but he did it far, far better than me, both in designing his strategy in the first place and executing it. But just because it was better than mine, doesn't mean it was actually good. He put himself in serious danger when he didn't need to, he alienated allies, and at the end of the day his plan to win jury votes was aimed entirely at people like me who wouldn't hold playing dirty against him. If the jury was entirely me, it would have been a good game, but I'm nowhere close to your average jury member.
plus, his mid-FTC was just awful. I'm not sure I can reconcile the stuff he was posting in Uxie's thread. Like seriously, I know your social game was for strategic purposes and I actually like that, but you didn't need to start being a dick to people to show that.
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Post by Meltan on Mar 11, 2019 14:59:32 GMT
Deoxys Deoxys Deoxys
I said I wouldn't vote for him unless he apologised unprompted for what he did after the Uxie vote. I've mellowed on that a bit but his answer to that question was... just awful. Like, I'd have been far far happier if he'd said 'I made a mistake' because it felt like he was grasping for a good reason where there was none. Maybe I'm misinterpreting his answer, but it feels like he was saying that none of it was anything to do with keeping me onside with him, it was all to do with making sure Hoopa and co wouldn't believe me about him being on my side before that...
he's telling me that he deliberately made himself look more evil to me so that I'd paint a more exaggerated picture to Hoopa and co, meaning that they'd be less likely to believe what I was saying? I'm not sure I can believe that, especially given what he was saying at that time and the fact that he probably believed I was incapable of getting information given that, well, I had been up to that point. It feels like he did it because he thought he could actually get me back onside with it, and when I made it clear in the Jury thread that I hated that he'd done it, he made up a reason that made more sense in hindsight.
I actually think the rest of his FTC, and his game in general, has been fantastic, especially from F8 onward. His pre-F8 decisions were kinda questionable because of how dangerous they were if I hadn't been playing so badly, but he correctly read that I wouldn't get the information necessary to put him in a bad spot, and I can't fault him for playing me perfectly in that respect. So here, for me, it really comes down to - am I going to base my vote on that one answer? Or on the rest of his game? I think without it I would be voting him here, but it would still be a close thing and it doesn't take much to tip the balance - I said I wouldn't base my vote on anything personal, but man, that was the one thing that really got to me and the fact that he's still not being straight with me over it is infuriating.
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Post by Meltan on Mar 11, 2019 15:13:29 GMT
despite my comments in the Jury thread about Tapu playing a good game, I think I came into this FTC least likely to vote for her, because it was a follower game and I respect leader games a hell of a lot more - they take a greater risk (getting that target on your back) for a greater reward (being able to more easily choose who comes to the end with you), and I think Tapu benefitted hugely from the fact that the two people she could beat played as leaders, so the ideal final 3 for her was able to materialise as a result of their actions.
but - how should she have played it differently? She got here with the two people she could beat, because that was the way the game was headed if she kept her head down and stuck with it. She didn't need to dictate votes - if she had made moves for the sake of making moves, she'd be here with the wrong people and she'd lose. I think the question everyone on the jury has is 'if things didn't work out so perfectly for you, would you have been able to make the necessary move' - I still don't know the answer to that. Whether she gets my vote might come down to whether I think that question is actually relevant.
Her gameplay worked perfectly here. Is it really fair to say 'in a different situation it would have been bad' and not vote for her based on that? Especially when we don't know for sure that she couldn't have adapted to it?
aaargh. I know I came off as not valuing the social side of the game in the jury thread, but in reality I do - I target social threats because I know how dangerous they are to players like me, and Regi, and Deo. Tapu played a better social game than the other two in my eyes, and that could mean she played a better game. But the other two played solid strategic games and she did piggyback off'ff that.
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Post by Meltan on Mar 11, 2019 15:21:58 GMT
I think I can say that right now my vote is between Deo/Tapu, but I could see Regi getting back in serious contention with a good final speech, especially if he genuinely apologises to Uxie in it. I want to vote Regi so badly, but I can't justify it right now - he needs to give me something I can justify it with.
Between Deo and Tapu I have no idea, to the extent that when I started writing my thoughts I was leaning slightly Deo and in reading what I was writing I started leaning slightly Tapu. But it's still so close. I think the final speeches could have a huge impact on which way my vote goes.
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Post by Meltan on Mar 12, 2019 2:20:47 GMT
Okay, I think I know my vote. I'm going to sleep on it to make sure it's not a spur of the moment thing and hopefully cast it in the morning.
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Post by Meltan on Mar 12, 2019 18:40:56 GMT
Going to stick my reasoning here.
When I posted the above, I actually had my mind made up to vote for Tapu. It changed several times today but in the end I settled on voting for Deoxys. It was always close between the two of them, because both of them played great games (which I've already discussed above), but I eventually decided to discard his answer towards me from consideration. That was something that felt personal, and even though I still believe that what he did there was a terrible move any way you look at it, it's something that's a bit too close to home for my judgement to be entirely clear on it.
After discounting that, I felt that Deo had the strongest game of the three. I'd already said as much in the posts above. Was I right to discount it? I don't know - either way, I hope he realises postgame what a horrible move that was - but I said I'd judge the strongest game regardless of how it affected me personally, and I think this is the vote that matches that.
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