Uxie
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Post by Uxie on Feb 17, 2019 3:30:06 GMT
This is also doubling as a Jasmine appreciation thread. You've been really helpful and encouraging, and I deeply appreciate you. Thanks for taking the time to be on my side and to talk with me through things. You have been awesome and the best trainer I could have hoped for.
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Post by Jasmine on Feb 17, 2019 3:37:26 GMT
Aww, thank you! It's been fun coaching you and rooting for you and I'm super glad you've been able to stand on your own.
I plan to give you some merge/ftc tips before I go!
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Uxie
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Post by Uxie on Feb 17, 2019 3:42:47 GMT
Excellent. Here's a big thing:
Cobalion has not made any attempt to reach out to me and a couple of people have mentioned he's online and active. I know this means he's gunning for me, but I'm pretty sure I'm supposed to try to make nice with him. How do you typically write to someone who very clearly stabbed you in the back and has no intention of working with you?
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Post by Jasmine on Feb 17, 2019 3:49:29 GMT
You could try to frame it as mutually beneficial. "Hey, how about we don't immediately try to murder each other so we don't leave back to back" maybe. It probably won't work on its own but an olive branch could restart the conversation. Having a big obvious enemy can be useful while that enemy continues to exist, but relationships like that often end with both parties dead if they go too hard.
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Uxie
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Post by Uxie on Feb 17, 2019 3:53:26 GMT
Yeah I definitely don't want to look like all I care about is taking out Cobalion. I mean like I do, but that's a tacky look I think.
Apparently Deoxys and Meltan want to kill of Mystic 1.0 folks and I'm so down. I'd like to try to keep my head down, though that's probably hard in an underdog situation.
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Post by Jasmine on Feb 17, 2019 3:57:01 GMT
I'd encourage you to feel out hoopa and whoever I'm forgetting for yourself before deciding to murder them!
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Post by Jasmine on Feb 17, 2019 3:57:42 GMT
Granted a plan like that won't stick for the whole game and it could be a useful/convenient direction for the time being seeing as those people are not you.
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Uxie
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Post by Uxie on Feb 17, 2019 5:30:41 GMT
Jasmine there's a board named secret islet and it has two sub boards. I don't understand why I can see it or what it means.
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Post by Steven on Feb 17, 2019 6:52:15 GMT
I'd like to double down on Jasmine appreciation
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Post by Wallace on Feb 17, 2019 6:56:50 GMT
I'd like to double down on Jasmine appreciation
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Post by Jasmine on Feb 17, 2019 6:58:07 GMT
Jasmine there's a board named secret islet and it has two sub boards. I don't understand why I can see it or what it means. I probably am not allowed to guess.
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Post by Jasmine on Feb 17, 2019 6:58:27 GMT
I'd like to double down on Jasmine appreciation Uh oh did all the other trainers flake
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Uxie
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Post by Uxie on Feb 17, 2019 7:13:47 GMT
no but i was told to mention it to you for some reason.
also it's password protected and giving me a headache. the life of a tired boi is one of many headaches and tribulations.
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Post by Jasmine on Feb 17, 2019 7:15:29 GMT
Well I don't know anything special about it or anything! I can see it too, though. Are your subboards also called puzzle two and puzzle four, or do you perhaps have one and three for some reason?
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Uxie
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Post by Uxie on Feb 17, 2019 7:19:11 GMT
Yeah it says puzzles 2 and 4. I guess it's cool to know that you at least see it too. I feel like I'm taking crazy pills.
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Post by Jasmine on Feb 17, 2019 7:29:48 GMT
I seem to have acquired the puzzle three subboard but not one.
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Post by Wallace on Feb 17, 2019 7:31:33 GMT
permissions amirite
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Uxie
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Post by Uxie on Feb 17, 2019 21:57:01 GMT
I finally reached out to Cobalion and basically offered the olive branch since the two of us getting into this big fight right now would make us an easy 1-2 boot. I said that it was going to be mutually beneficial for the two of us to bury the hatchet for a bit, at least until that TC is a bit farther in memory.
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Post by Jasmine on Feb 17, 2019 23:31:37 GMT
Merge/jury management tips!
The first round: Usually, people play scared during the first round of the merge, wanting to make sure it's not them. They're likely to target someone without a lot of connections (this is probably dangerous for you unless you form/reaffirm some connections asap), or someone who is a leader type that everyone wants to hide behind. In the latter case, they will make this person out to be a threat to win the game, but that will be a lie. That type of player pretty much never makes it to the end. That said, in this game it looks like Deoxys and Meltan have an agenda they're likely to push at the start that differs from this, and if any round is super likely to be defined by that push it's this one, before the game acquires more nuance.
~game flow~: every game is different, but a common pattern for this phase of the game is for the boots to transition from easy votes towards threats to win the game. surviving that is a really hard balance and it's more or less impossible to figure what the right spot on that spectrum will be for any given game. my perception is that you're naturally nailing the middle of the road look, which is a decent place to be. it's worth noting that players are often aggressively wrong about who is actually liked by the jury and therefore threatening. but "threats" will be an idea that gets thrown around a LOT by F6/F5ish. Making someone out to be a threat to win successfully is a good way to get them eliminated.
pagonging: a common strategy in survivor is to stick with one of your premerge tribes and try to knock off everyone else. valor and mystic 1.0 seem pretty not relevant to this game state; my guess is that it's the second set of tribes that will be most salient here. the fact that there are three tribes involved here makes this strategy harder, except: are there really? valor 2.0 is clearly a completely non cohesive unit. I don't know how close instinct is, but i bet mystic 2.0 are tight. it's possible that letting either mystic or instinct gain a majority would be a big mistake. consider, for example, deoxys & meltan's plan. if you knock out all the other mystic 1.0 members, that leaves 4 mystic 2.0 members and 3 others. it would be trivial for them to decide to take each other to the final 4, or maybe they'd pick off two of you before someone made a move against the leader but that's not super good odds for you either. no matter what they may say about each other, there's always a possibility some prior tribe will realize they can guarantee themselves a deep run by sticking to their arbitrary majority, and convincing the "bottom" (i.e. 4th place) member of an alliance to jump ship to you can be VERY difficult; they're often blinded by friendship or see themselves as more integral to the group's planning than they really are. so in short, don't let this happen!
Big Moves: At the end of the game, the jury will ask what your Biggest Move is. Capital letters very much intentional. It's helpful to have a good answer ready for this one. You'll need to be able to point to something you did that changed the direction of the game, or got a threatening player eliminated. If the moment you point to was during the premerge, they will be unlikely to respect it. However, you have to be careful with this because having a known Big Move under your belt makes eliminating you a Big Move itself. Also, if you wait too long, it doesn't count. For example, if you let a player who will obviously win the game if they reach the end live until the final 4 and then vote them off, that's not a big move, that's just the obvious move. It can be a good idea to do this -- having a threat bigger than you around late in the game means you won't be the target because they HAVE to go -- but I wouldn't pick it as your Big Move. However, it's absolutely possible to win without a Big Move, especially if: none of the other finalists have one either; you are a Big Threat who should have been sent home but weren't; or the jury likes you on a personal level (aka the social game type of winner). Also, players will be more likely to make or help with Big Moves during rounds with an odd number of players left, because you can make said moves with slimmer margins and a lesser percentage of players need to be on board to do them.
Jury management: Jury management is impossible. They will be mad at you, some people will likely refuse to vote for you to win for reasons that seem irrational or demonstrably untrue, etc. And there's no way to know what type of juror each player will become. But you can do work to improve your chances. Some people like being told they're going home (but this risks giving them a chance to prevent it). Some will vote for their friends, while others will vote against their friends if they feel betrayed by said friends even if said friends didn't vote them off. In brief, most jurors are either going to be looking for who played the best strategic game, who they happen to like the most, or who isn't the person they're mad at. They will want to be appeased come FTC, so tell them how great they are and how they'd surely win if it weren't for the cruel twist of fate that put you in the finale instead, prostrate yourself and tell them you are not worthy of their vote except that you're more worthy than the person sitting next to you. Seriously, a lot of jurors have massive egos and if you tell them they aren't perfect at Survivor they will shred their vote for you to win in front of your eyes.
FTC opponents: We don't know for sure if this game is a final 3 or 2 as far as I know, but since jury started at 11 that suggests final 2 (with a jury of 9) because even numbered juries are bad design. You have to think about who to go up against at the end with an eye to how you can win. Everyone else will too! If it's a final 3, you'd ideally like to go up against two people who followed a different game path from you, and maybe a similar path to each other, so that you stand out. That way they fight over some votes and you get to look pretty. Since F2 is more likely, I'll spend more time stressing that. If you win the final immunity, you should really throw your feelings aside if you want to win and do some cold analysis. You may want to bring your friend, but you may have to cut them if they're the more difficult FTC opponent. No matter what that other person says, especially if they're a veteran, they would absolutely be performing this exact same analysis in your shoes. This game has one winner and it needs to be you! So although it may be hard, I would strongly encourage you to get rid of the person who's more likely to win at the very end. 99.9% of the feelings other players tell you they have towards you are exaggerations if not outright lies; they'll lose a lot more sleep over themselves not winning than if they hurt your feelings. Essentially what I'm saying is everyone but you is a heartless bastard when it gets down to having to make tough decisions, so you have to be too. There's definitely some of my point of view seeping in here though, because I can't count the number of times I've felt like I'd happily lay down and die for another survivor player only to learn after the game that actually they didn't really care if I lived or died. I have a lot of feelings and take it from me, feelings will not win you this game.
I have no idea if any of that will be remotely helpful and it's definitely like severely jaded so I guess take it with a grain of salt.
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Uxie
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Post by Uxie on Feb 18, 2019 0:08:03 GMT
Jasmine that was a wonderful post <3
I'm still working, but I wanted to tuck this absolutely bizarre PM from Volcanion here:
"Tbh, I will be brutally honest with you, I dont know why but I am struggling to talk to former Valor. It is just because I already told you who am I, now that I reconnect to them, I am lost a words."
I have no idea what that is even supposed to mean.
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Post by Jasmine on Feb 19, 2019 5:50:51 GMT
How's merge treating you?
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Post by Jasmine on Feb 19, 2019 6:50:24 GMT
Man, I wish we'd had a good spot to name a tribe "team rocket." That'd be cool and funny.
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Uxie
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Post by Uxie on Feb 19, 2019 7:23:35 GMT
I HATE trying to play this on Mondays. Mondays are me IRL commitment days and I don't have any time for PMing.
Literally I am ok with any vote that isn't, like, my core friends. Meltan has immunity, so I imagine he and Deoxys are going to phase one get rid of some former Mystic. Maybe Cobalion maybe someone else idk and idc.
<3 u Jasmine I'm going to super miss you.
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Post by Jasmine on Feb 19, 2019 15:16:24 GMT
I'll be cheering you on from the sidelines. Good luck and have fun :]
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Uxie
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Post by Uxie on Feb 19, 2019 15:40:33 GMT
Ok Meltan and everyone is saying Cobalion. Right now I'm lightly suggesting delaying the Cob vote, hopefully in order to take out one of Celebi or Hoopa. IDK if 'saving the player that betrayed me' is a big move, but it's a start. If I can save him, maybe he'll fall for it and think that we're back to being cool.
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