Regigigas
Player Eight
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Post by Regigigas on Mar 9, 2019 13:04:41 GMT
So basically, we both very similar plans independently of each other.
hahahaha this is a recurring theme
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Meltan
Player Twelve
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Post by Meltan on Mar 9, 2019 13:11:45 GMT
Alright, these are both solid answers. I think I'm done asking along these lines.
That said, Regi, first question's still there for you too if you want to answer it - if the F9 vote had gone 4-4-1, with Deo voting for Celebi and you going for Uxie, what would your approach to the public thread have been? I'm aware there wouldn't have been a plan for it (since Poi's self vote was unexpected) so this is about how you think you would have handled it.
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Post by Tapu Lele on Mar 9, 2019 13:22:13 GMT
Tapu - at this point the thing I most want you to answer has already been asked by Coba, but I guess I'll stick it here too - what did you personally do to ensure you wouldn't be at the end against a huge social threat like Poi or Hoopa? I just spoke about this a bit more in the Coba thread. Sorry for the disjointed conversation => reference => conversation. Mobile posting is tough!
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Regigigas
Player Eight
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Post by Regigigas on Mar 9, 2019 13:38:11 GMT
That would have been very funny indeed.
One option would have been to just say "uxie has an idol lmao" and see what happens - though I think that would have been a bit suicidal, even by my high octane standards.
The other option would have been to just vote for uxie in the revote, let poipole cast the deciding vote (since I really didn't care that much who went home either way, there) blame the whole thing on deoxys (which is what I was originally planning on doing if I was the only flipper), since he was by far the least trusted person in our alliance. In public, I probably would have played it a bit cool and tried to let other people (deoxys) accuse me first to try to make them look bad. I had a good relationship with uxie from valor, so I think he probably would have believed me over the guy he was least connected to in the 5 we had.
I mean, when you look back on it, deoxys didn't really have a good plan if he was the only one who flipped, especially if uxie survived. I did hold all the cards on that round, I knew uxie had an idol and deoxys didn't. I could have told her to play it, sending out Celebi, and putting deoxys on the bottom for flipping. Everyone would have naturally thought it was him, since as we all know he is not a very good liar. Who would he even try to pin it on? He actually tried to pin it on you at one point, as if you would flip on yourself. It was kind of embarrassing to watch.
And at that point, there would have been plenty of conflict to exploit. Cobalion would be on the bottom since he would have lost celebi, deoxys VS. the rest of the alliance would have been a thing, uxie VS. coba would still be a live conflict... etc, etc. Lots of room for me to play.
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Meltan
Player Twelve
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Post by Meltan on Mar 10, 2019 0:12:14 GMT
I don't really like my thread being at the bottom of the list, but I don't really have any more questions right now, so this is literally just a post to bump it My vote is still undecided and I'm following the rest of the threads closely to change that. Hopefully I can come up with another question before the round ends.
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Post by Tapu Lele on Mar 10, 2019 0:27:34 GMT
Listen to your heart Nutto! If you want any help with deciding let me know. ;]
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Meltan
Player Twelve
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Post by Meltan on Mar 10, 2019 2:05:10 GMT
Okay, unless something very different comes up I don't think any more questions are coming from me. A lot of what I wanted to hear about was covered in opening speeches and the remainder was/is being covered elsewhere. As far as my vote is concerned, I think you all know the approach I took to the game (an extremely gamebotty approach) and my stance on best play is very closely tied to that - the best play in my opinion is that which worked out well, wasn't *too* reliant on the game going a certain way (I know I'm a hypocrite there but I'm on the Jury so I don't get judged here ) and which had solid reasoning behind it. Stuff outside of that doesn't matter much to me. I know other people have very different stances on that, so I'm not expecting answers to be catered towards that, but just keep in mind that that's what I'll be looking for. I have some leanings on where my vote could go, but I'm not going to cast it until after the closing speeches because I think there's a very high chance it could be changed with the right/wrong answers or statements. With that, good luck to all three of you and I look forward to talking to you all after the game.
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Deoxys
Player Sixteen
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Post by Deoxys on Mar 10, 2019 2:28:11 GMT
Thanks, Meltan. And definitely keep in touch postgame.
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Meltan
Player Twelve
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Post by Meltan on Mar 10, 2019 9:33:20 GMT
...welp I'm breaking my word pretty soon, but Uxie's thread has given me another question for Deo:
"Deoxys, I do think the way that you approached the situation with Volcanion was truly shameful. I was genuinely interested and concerned if you were hurt by what you heard, and the fact that you fed one story to Cobalion and a different one to me to pit us against each other was a really shady thing to do beyond the veil of a game. You didn't need to do that."
This had escaped my mind because it was so early on, and it's something that never got talked about on the Jury.
After Coba told me about what happened between you and Volcanion, I came to you asking if we needed to change the vote as a result. At this point you had the opportunity to take the tarhetoff'ff Coba and move it to Volc - if you had told our side the same thing you told theirs, I think the vote would have been easily unanimous.
Instead you said you had not been offended by it and told me that Coba was exaggerating and manipulating your words to try to force the vote through.
It feels like this was the point where you really doubled down and committed to the double agent role, but in doing so, you lost Coba his idol and moved the game into a state where it was arguably more dangerous for you (since the conflict was very clearly centered around your words). Was that an intentional trade-off to try to pitch the sides against one another more? Or was it just because you felt I wouldn't shift our vote to Volc?
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Meltan
Player Twelve
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Post by Meltan on Mar 10, 2019 9:34:37 GMT
tarhetoff'ff
This should say 'take the target off'ff'
Have I mentioned how much I hate phones
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Deoxys
Player Sixteen
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Post by Deoxys on Mar 10, 2019 14:37:10 GMT
That's a good question. It's certainly possible I would have been able to get Volc sent out via majority and if so the game would probably have played out very differently. I don't think it would have been as easy as you are implying though, nor do I think the result would have been better for me even if it had been.
The biggest thing that I was thinking at that point that I don't know if you are taking into account is how goddamn terrified I was of you coming out of the Articuno vote. Articuno was someone that you and I had worked well with in the first two votes on Mystic, and we had a good relationship by the time we ended up on the swapped Mystic. Despite all of that, you went after him at the first chance you got for two reasons, that you were afraid he was still loyal to (as you called it) Old Mystic and because you wanted to make a good impression to the Valors by not taking one of them out on the swap-tribe when we had numbers. I didn't think that coming on the heels of that, I should approach you with a plan to take out someone that wanted to work with you against Hoopa/Coba/Celebi, especially given taking out a Valor at the merge may well have been just as much of a non-starter for you as taking one out at the swap. I also think that since numbers are such a huge deal at the merge and that vote was going to be close at best, it would have been hard to try and pitch that we take out someone I didn't like on our side without people starting to question where I truly stood - and I think it would have further relegated my position in that group to being reliant on you wanting to keep me, scary both because I would be left with few options and because you had shown the willingness to make moves and cut people pretty abruptly if you thought it helped you.
All of that not withstanding though, I also did know already by that point that I was not comfortable going to 5 with the Mystic group, nor was I comfortable going to 5-6 with your group of Valors. I wanted to be able to work with people from both sides to end up in a position where the numbers were more favourable to me and I had options rather than being tied to hoping 1-2 specific people would take me to the end and that I could convince the jury I deserved to win. You ask if I made my position more dangerous by doing what I did, but I would argue that given that I already knew I had to play both sides in order for me to be in a position where I thought I could do well, getting the two sides to be diametrically opposed right off the bat was the best way to ensure that notes on me wouldn't be compared across the isle or that if they were they wouldn't be believed.
The last point that ties into that a little bit is that as I talked about in Coba's thread, a lot of my game took advantage of the fact that the perception of me was not that of a power player. I worried that if I openly was the one to coordinate a merge vote, that would risk putting a spotlight under me too early in the game especially when it came time that one side or the other would realize I wasn't loyal to them and would try to offer me up to the other side. I tried to keep my threat level low until we reached a point in the game where there were enough big threats left with low enough numbers that I would be able to get most of the way to the end without being targeted, and I don't think pulling together a unanimous/majority merge vote would have fit in well with that plan.
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