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Post by Wallace on Mar 9, 2019 2:13:57 GMT
Don't post in anyone else's question thread, juror. Ask all your questions here.
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Mesprit
Player Seven
Gave so many emotions away that she had none left for herself (jk i'm not doing that bad)
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Post by Mesprit on Mar 9, 2019 15:37:33 GMT
Ok! I'm having a pretty hard time sorting out my thoughts about everything I've just read in your speeches, since it's all stuff that was completely alien to me, as I had my burnout around merge. So, I'll start with a question about stuff I'm more familiar with, for all three of you. In an alternate timeline where I would have been able to keep playing, how much would your post-merge plans have changed? For some context about how I would have played, since I haven't seen a single person read me right after my medevac when speaking of my allegiances, my plans before merge were to stick with Hoopa/Celebi while also trying to get some influence on Meltan through a secret cross-tribe alliance that started all the way back in the codenames challenge. And more importantly, I'd like to point out something I've seen in another question thread... As for the fact that I had better relations with people since the F8 was all people I had been on a tribe with? Yeah, that wasn't luck. Volc was someone I actively targeted. Then Mes. Then Uxie. I actively worked to ensure that the Valor block was all people I had good working relationships with. So according to your claims, you're the one who's responsible for my elimination. You're the one who organized my downfall. You're the one who led me to have my burnout without which I might have been a competent player. You're the one who caused me to feel miserable in real life. ... So are you my mother? |
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Regigigas
Player Eight
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Post by Regigigas on Mar 9, 2019 16:11:16 GMT
Meltan told me very early on in merge that your allegiance was to Hoopa and Celebi - two people that Meltan wanted as the first few gone, so we kind of just assumed you were on the opposite side of us. Early merge was split kind of like this
Meltan - Reggie - Tapu - Uxie - Volc (Deoxys and Poipole as a swing) Mespirit - Celebi - Hoopa - Cobalion.
Honestly, if you were able to keep playing... you probably would have been voted out at F10 anyways, since deoxys was targeting you for your low activity, and by extension, so were the rest of your allies. Meltan was always going to be targeting Celebi and Hoopa, so I don't know if that cross tribe alliance would have been compatible with your current allies.
I didn't know you were being considered as a vote until the night of the vote, but I told coba that I planned on voting you out in case of a 5-5 tie between you and Celebi.
In a super alternate alternate timeline where you don't burn out at all, volc goes at 11 and celebi goes at 10, my plans would probably change to target cobalion and hoopa, while trying to get you to work with me and tapu lele to target some of the other mystics like meltan later down the road.
Unfortunately I never felt super close to you on valor, so I probably would have come after you sooner or later, but who knows? Maybe we would have gotten super close in merge - I wasn't close to tapu on valor either, and look at us now. I sure didn't anticipate celebi becoming one of my top allies but hey, that happened too. So it's a bit hard for me to answer this question since my plans were always very fluid and improvised, but you surviving F10 and not burning out would have been fine by me.
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Mesprit
Player Seven
Gave so many emotions away that she had none left for herself (jk i'm not doing that bad)
Posts: 162
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Post by Mesprit on Mar 9, 2019 16:19:27 GMT
Actually, screw this. Deoxys, you don't need to answer that question, since either answer has awful consequences.
If you really are my mother, then you somehow managed to piece out my real identity from the small tidbits you've heard about me, without even knowing beforehand that I'm a scummer, then you've come to me and said those things, not because you thought them, but for the sole purpose of destroying me emotionally so I'd be neutralized in-game, almost paying for that play with your own child's life. If that's true, then congratulations, it both means that you've pulled off the most impressive play in Survivor history, and that you're the most inhumane person I've ever met, both IRL and on the internet. Heck, throw fictional characters into that mix too, you'd be on their caliber.
But in the much, much more likely case that the answer is no, then you're still not out of the woods. You've spotted a pattern that at first sight seems to be overwhelmingly favorable to you in the early merge's outcome, and claimed responsibility for it. Except part of it amounted to nothing more than serendipity, and everyone in the game knows this. You've just lied about common knowledge just to make yourself look like the mastermind behind those events, and by doing so you've proven that you've opened Pandora's box. How do I know that anything else you've said since the start of FTC isn't also fabricated? Do you have a reason for me to see you as a trustworthy narrator of this game's events?
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Mesprit
Player Seven
Gave so many emotions away that she had none left for herself (jk i'm not doing that bad)
Posts: 162
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Post by Mesprit on Mar 9, 2019 16:20:23 GMT
Oh. Sorry Reggie, I didn't see your answer when I was writing my admittedly overly-dramatic post. I'll get to it right now.
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Regigigas
Player Eight
Chewing bubblegum
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Post by Regigigas on Mar 9, 2019 16:35:25 GMT
real talk: I have no idea what you are even talking about and I get the feeling I probably shouldn't know
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Deoxys
Player Sixteen
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Post by Deoxys on Mar 9, 2019 16:41:49 GMT
I will give a longer response later, but just to clarify. I take zero credit/responsibility for the way in which you exited the game and the very real RL issues that were happening. I told you at the time that I felt for you for whatever you were going through, and I meant it sincerely.
What I did do was try and engineer your vote off that night in the game anyways, and I do think it had a good chance of succeeding. That's all I was talking about in that sentence, that you were someone I was targeting in the game. And like I said, I'll give this a more proper response tonight but wanted to clarify since it looks like I might have been unclear and misunderstood.
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Mesprit
Player Seven
Gave so many emotions away that she had none left for herself (jk i'm not doing that bad)
Posts: 162
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Post by Mesprit on Mar 9, 2019 21:00:11 GMT
real talk: I have no idea what you are even talking about and I get the feeling I probably shouldn't know Don't worry, this is part of my usual cycle of being supposed to do something -> turning it into something dumb instead -> noticing right after it's posted just how awful it was -> wishing I'd never posted it in the first place -> doing something else to try and forget about it, which gets slaughtered by the same cycle in turn. Just ignore it. To remove the unneeded parts: Deoxys tried to depict this as part of a pattern that was caused by him. And yes, of course I know there was talk of voting me, I'm not *that* clueless. But when someone is inactive, there's really no point in trying to pretend you're being the mastermind for making a plan to vote them, since that boot was inevitable the whole time. If anything, I'm the only person who was responsible both for my medevac, and for the vote that was suggested by Deoxys. Anyway, my first question still stands, as I believe the answer can say quite a bit. |
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Post by Tapu Lele on Mar 9, 2019 21:49:39 GMT
I'm not so great with the nuances of parallel world things but if you'd been around the place this game would have been a different environment and I would've liked to see you closer to endgame.
I'm not 100% sure we would have both ended up here because even back in Valor1.0, you were quite a force to be reckoned with. But the Mesprit I remember from Valor was brilliant and would have gone far, I think.
(Sorry this is not a very valuable answer and mostly caters to your ego, though I mean every word of it. Was there more you wanted on the subject?)
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Regigigas
Player Eight
Chewing bubblegum
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Post by Regigigas on Mar 9, 2019 22:41:49 GMT
Anyway, my first question still stands, as I believe the answer can say quite a bit.
You were someone I wanted to work with because hashtag valor one point oh for life baybee, but your alliance with hoopa and celebi was something I found intimidating. Kind of like "oh no, she has cooler friends then me now". I wanted to vote out your allies, but not you. In a perfect world, Hoopa would have been the first one voted out of merge, and you would have come to the valor reunion party I tried to plan as your backup plan.
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Deoxys
Player Sixteen
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Post by Deoxys on Mar 10, 2019 1:18:45 GMT
Okay, so to expand on what I said earlier.
I don't in any way intend to take full credit for you leaving. As you have said, you had way more important things going on than this game that had led to you being inactive for a round or two before you left, and obviously that's something I didn't have anything to do with. I also acknowledge that being less active makes it harder for you to defend against a wagon or push attention elsewhere. I do not though think there was anything inevitible about you going home that round in particular, and I did make a concerted effort that round to get people to vote for you given that I was trying to walk a fine line between two sides of the game and thought that your vote would be one that I could sell to both sides as being beneficial to 'lock up a majority'. Was this some massive plan that I masterminded? No - and in fact I made no claims to that being a big move in my speech because it certainly wasn't - why I mentioned it in the other thread is that it was mentioned that I was lucky that the people who went home at the merge were the people I have the least relationship with, and I don't think it can be chalked up just to luck as I did go out of my way to try and ensure people who I didn't feel good about working with went home so that I would have as many viable options as possible.
In terms of how my plans would have changed had you not burnt out and been able to keep playing - if we dial it back to around the start of the merge then I have no idea what would have happened, and I think the game would likely look very different. By all accounts you were someone who was great to talk to and work with (from what I heard from Hoopa/Celebi) at the merge, and much of what happened for me at the early merge was influenced by the fact that most/all of the Valors seemed to be joining up with Meltan while you were a bit of an unknown due to activity - had you been able to play as you were pre-merge I would absolutely have looked to reach out to you and connect with you, especially if as I had heard from various people you were close to Hoopa/Celebi as those were two people I also intended to work with.
I hope that helps explain what I meant in the text you quoted, and then answers the question you had. If there's something else or anything, please let me know.
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