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Post by Tapu Lele on Mar 10, 2019 6:08:42 GMT
Yeah, I'm very aware of the fact I have some catching up to do. I guess in the finale of most social or deception games, the old adage of "Ignore everything that happens in the finale" is always worth consideration.
In the end of the day there's no value in me overplaying FTC to messily try and appeal to one or two people at the risk of being called out for bullshitting. I've kinda only got what I've done to work with, so no matter how well I sell myself I'm aware that I started this phase out with some pretty negative perceptions which I need to change.
It's hard for me to pick who's going to win this one tbh. Having had the chance to talk through my game with people who've been critical of it though, I feel more confident than ever in the way I've conducted myself.
And to that end I really do believe the social game that I've played is worth something, even if that something is completely different from the strength of the strategic games which Deo and Regi are selling. It's hard for me to guess how I'd vote if I were on the jury; having that opportunity to just go "who is just better than the others?" is a complicated call. But just because I played harder later, and had a weaker strategic game than Regi & Deo, doesn't mean that I should be discounted from this.
I feel confident that I've helped people see my perspective on how I've played this game, and let those of the jury who haven't made up their mind know that there are indeed three finalists; not two finalists and their goat.
I couldn't stand here and say I feel confident about winning, though. The competition is pretty fierce, and this is anyone's game. I'm just glad for the opportunity to express myself and talk through all of this.
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Post by Cobalion on Mar 10, 2019 6:43:05 GMT
Okay, here's a follow-up question-- what do you think your hardest step from here on out will be, since the tides have changed slightly? What concerns might potentially reluctant people have when it comes to voting for you, and how will you address them?
Also, to everyone-- what would you fo with the prize if you won?
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Regigigas
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Post by Regigigas on Mar 10, 2019 13:21:23 GMT
theres no prize
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Deoxys
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Post by Deoxys on Mar 10, 2019 14:44:25 GMT
Deoxys, there's been talk with Meltan about you being cold and insensitive.in fact, there's been talk all throughout this about how you might be some emotionless robot. And quite frankly, the fact that your most fond memory of me is me clarifying the Super Bowl controversy to you is, to be blunt, sad, because I know from experience that there have been further, more in-depth talks with Victini-- someone I spent about two rounds with and idoled out-- than I had with you, someone who I spent seven rounds with and trusted with knowledge of an idol. Can you explain how someone who had no reason to speak to me and who I eventually idoled out was able to have more engaging conversations with me than you were? I'm not trying to stroke my own ego here or insult you-- I'm just curious as to what your thought process is in this regard.
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I don't know that I have an explanation, really. The Sweet Victory thing was something that came to mind because it was something I had seen mentioned a ton online right around when the game started that I didn't understand and I remember you explaining it to me, which fit in with the question of something I learned from you.
Frankly, this talk of me as being cold and insentitive, or as an emotionless robot is actually super sad to me. I had no idea that that was the perception of me in this game, as other than Regi the feedback I received from people socially was that I was likable, that people enjoyed my company, that people spoke highly of me, etc. I'm not a particularly social or extroverted person in real life so being sociable is sometimes hard for me, and I guess I just wasn't as nice, open or likable in this game as I thought. That's a pretty shitty thing to realize and obviously I wish I knew about this as the game progressed rather than finding out about it at the end, but that's where we are. Hopefully I can learn from it and try and come across less like a cold and insensitve robot in the future.
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Post by Deoxys on Mar 10, 2019 14:44:51 GMT
Also, to everyone-- what would you fo with the prize if you won?
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Print off the screenshot and frame it in my bathroom.
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Post by Cobalion on Mar 10, 2019 17:21:29 GMT
Okay, I have a few more questions and then I'll wrap things up.
To all of you: Which is more important to you when it comes to Survivor-- strategy, or social game? How did you exhibit this quality overall during the game itself? Did you do better in an area you deemed less important?
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Post by Deoxys on Mar 10, 2019 19:58:36 GMT
To all of you: Which is more important to you when it comes to Survivor-- strategy, or social game? How did you exhibit this quality overall during the game itself? Did you do better in an area you deemed less important?
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I think the strategy aspect is more important. While obviously both are important and you won't do well having one without the other, I think having strategy allows you to come up with the right plan(s) in order to advance yourself further into the game and put yourself in a position where you can succeed. I actually think at the various phases of the game I was able to use mostly social game, mostly strategy, and a strong combination of both to achieve what I was trying to do - and while the most powerful combination is both I think you can do more with just strong strategy than just strong social play.
At the start of the game, I relied on just social play; even despite being on the block I didn't strategize or otherwise try and influence the vote directly but instead focused on being social, talking to people, being liked, and not trying to say everything as a poem even during tribal council (that last one being most important, perhaps!). Through the social game I was able to stay alive and move myself away from the bottom of the tribe as I had been, but continuing to do just that wouldn't I think have allowed me to propel myself into a position to be at the end with prospects of winning.
Around the merge is when I think I used both quite strongly. I had good social connections with both sides which allowed me to play both sides without arrousing suspicions while also using strategy to try and figure out the right ways to vote to put myself in a position to succeed. Due to the social bonds I had, Meltan and Regi's attempt to flip on me didn't work, and due to the strategy I used I was able to play both sides and work on putting myself in a strong position in the game.
After the Uxie vote, my social bond had broken down with the Meltan side of things due to having flipped on them and lied to them, and then a few rounds later the same thing happened with Hoopa and Celebi due to the fact I was playing both sides. At that point I relied primarily on the strategy side of things to have put myself in a position with Regi and Tapu where even if we didn't have a strong social bond or connection, they were in a position in the game to work with me whether they liked me or not since it gave them the best chance to win. That's where I think there's more usefulness in a strong strategy game than a strong social game; I had used both get into a strong position but then from there could rely on strategy even if the social bonds disolved. In the inverse, had I been in a strong position and had good social bonds but lacked strategy, I probably would have been able to be taken out by someone who saw me as a threat to win.
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Post by Cobalion on Mar 10, 2019 20:21:10 GMT
In that case, would you say that a social game is just a facet or tool of a strategist? You obviously can't ever win Survivor if people don't like you-- unless someone is even worse than you socially.
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Post by Deoxys on Mar 10, 2019 20:24:21 GMT
In that case, would you say that a social game is just a facet or tool of a strategist? You obviously can't ever win Survivor if people don't like you-- unless someone is even worse than you socially.
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I would not say that, and that was absolutely not the way I approached the social game. The conversations I had, bonds I formed, friendships I made were all 100% genuine and not a means to an end within the game. I wanted to be someone people liked, people wanted to keep around, and I also just genuinely wanted to both meet new people and 'meet' potential old friends and have fun with other people who like Survivor and games like this as much as I do.
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Regigigas
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Post by Regigigas on Mar 10, 2019 22:21:49 GMT
Strategy > social game.
Yes, I am not afraid to admit that I think social game is just a tool, and I won't admit to believing this in any future games I'm in.
The way I see it is that yeah, every connection (except the ones that feel super real grrr volcanion grrr) in this game really just one way you can "build social currency" with people. Now there are many ways to increase your balance - for example sharing information, opinions, voting together, etc. But you need to start somewhere, and conversations are how you get that initial balance in your bank account, and the most reliable way to maintain it so it doesn't compound negatively.
With the exception of volc, I did see every conversation I had in this game as a means to an end. If I learned something or enjoyed talking about something, that was just a bonus. And it was also a bonus if I made you laugh or smile, that's just to make the game more fun. But I felt like saying dumb and silly things was a really easy way to increase my social currency balance with people, and I'll likely retire that strategy here, to prevent people from IDing me in the future.
Once again, if I'm ever in FTC again, I'll say the exact opposite of this. But that is how I really view this game and I've got nothing to lose at this point.
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Post by Regigigas on Mar 10, 2019 22:29:09 GMT
Regigigas, I persobally noticed a very strong start from you in certain areas of the Final Tribal Council, but in others, you've teally sunken low or fallen behind-- with the prime example being the Uxie conversation and how you essentially alienated him when he was coming in wanting to vote for you. Can you explain this?
No he wasn't. He specifically said he didn't want to vote for me.
I'm going nuclear, dude. I have no idea how to play FTC, so I've just snapped at this point. It feels like I've had a headache and a niacin flush all weekend. I'm exhausted hours before bedtime. I'm done being a mirror of deoxys and trying to play nice and answer the way people want me to answer, and I'm just giving honest answers now. That includes admitting that I don't really care about any of the personal stuff in the game and I see it as a means to an end. I'm owning my game, but it was a damn nasty game.
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Deoxys
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Post by Deoxys on Mar 10, 2019 23:40:47 GMT
I just want to clarify that I'm also giving honest answers to everything.
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Post by Tapu Lele on Mar 11, 2019 0:02:15 GMT
Also, to everyone-- what would you fo with the prize if you won? I will use it to build a centre to help acclimatise Ultra Beasts to Alola. Humanitarian issues are a huge passion of Tapu Lele's, and I believe our UB-buddies deserve a chance to be treated like regular pokemon.
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Post by Tapu Lele on Mar 11, 2019 0:04:30 GMT
Okay, I have a few more questions and then I'll wrap things up. To all of you: Which is more important to you when it comes to Survivor-- strategy, or social game? How did you exhibit this quality overall during the game itself? Did you do better in an area you deemed less important? Bugger. I just spoke about this in Poipole's thread as well. Just to break the mold and summarise somewhat: a sound strategic game is all well and good, but it's literally nothing without a good social game to back it up. I think a lot of my platform has been how I've used my social game, and used strategy to augment it. I think I did better on the strategic front than I realised I would going in, but certainly I'll admit this aspect was not as strong as my competitors'. Let me know if you'd like more on this.
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Regigigas
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Post by Regigigas on Mar 11, 2019 0:17:33 GMT
I just want to clarify that I'm also giving honest answers to everything.
Yeah, I believe that. I just can't honestly give the same answers as you.
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Post by Tapu Lele on Mar 11, 2019 0:22:47 GMT
If i thought either of you were lying I'd be slappin' someone upside the head You guys have enough in common that this kind of conflict is almost a necessity. I think it's important and it's been really revealing following it.
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Post by Cobalion on Mar 11, 2019 0:25:16 GMT
"No he wasn't. He specifically said he didn't want to vote for me. " (Regigigas) - "My vote was basically yours to lose going into this, but now I guess I need to be wooed if you want the vote. What would you say the weakest part of your game was? And if you could do it again, how would you improve?" (Uxie) -
Seriously?
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Post by Regigigas on Mar 11, 2019 0:27:37 GMT
'I thought we were tight, but I gotta confess your strategy looks awful on paper to win any sort of a jury vote. You were the beacon of light that I could continue playing the game as I endured hell to reach merge, and seeing you immediately throw me away has soured any interest I might have had in voting you.' (Uxie)
You good, dude?
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Regigigas
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Post by Regigigas on Mar 11, 2019 0:28:09 GMT
We readin the same posts or what?
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Post by Cobalion on Mar 11, 2019 0:30:24 GMT
I'm fine, I just wondered what you thought he meant when he said he came in wanting to vote for you. If I remember correctly, that statement was only after he saw your opening speech and your answers to a good portion of the questions-- and your brash behavior afterwards didn't help at all.
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Regigigas
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Post by Regigigas on Mar 11, 2019 0:36:39 GMT
I very seriously doubt that uxie ever considered voting me at all, and I would not be surprised if his whole first page was just revengeposting. Perfectly valid, but I don't feel like I was ever going to get uxie's vote, and I'm not going to be someone who I'm not and try to suck up to someone who has made up their mind against me - and was very unimpressed with being sucked up to.
There's like, 500+ characters of HAHAHA in my confessional voting thread next to my uxie vote. I'm not being out of character at all.
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Post by Cobalion on Mar 11, 2019 0:36:40 GMT
Well, you hadn't answered many questions yet (if any), but my point still stands. I would like it if Uxie came in and clarified things, but I don't think that'll happen.
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Post by Cobalion on Mar 11, 2019 1:03:16 GMT
With Uxie's opinion on the situation and the 71 replies in this thread already, I think I'm ready to make my decision. There's still an hour between now and deadline, and closing speeches haven't been posted yet, meaning that nothing is locked in stone-- but for now, I think I have all the information I need.
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Post by Cobalion on Mar 11, 2019 1:05:56 GMT
Actually, one last thing-- can each of you describe yourselves in one word? Thanks.
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Regigigas
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Post by Regigigas on Mar 11, 2019 1:06:31 GMT
"No."
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